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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    Rmoney wanted to get rid of FEMA.

    (BTW, I always get a chuckle at firefighters railing against "socialist programs". Every taxpayer supported fire department is essentially a "socialist program"... The non-socialist alternative? Pay for Spray. And we know how popular that is. )


    Maybe I had the names mixed up. Don't really follow politics. They are all full of it in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    Rmoney wanted to get rid of FEMA.

    (BTW, I always get a chuckle at firefighters railing against "socialist programs". Every taxpayer supported fire department is essentially a "socialist program"... The non-socialist alternative? Pay for Spray. And we know how popular that is. )
    FEMA could stand some serious down sizing.And be seperated from DHS
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    Quote Originally Posted by bestside View Post
    Makes me want to puke! I work in the president's home town of Chicago, which alot of people are
    referring to as "****cago". As far as what will the president will do for us, I'm not sure. I do know
    that a large portion of his supporters are in entitlement programs, and have their hands out for every
    thing from housing to Obama phones.Talking about entitlement programs, we are considered a
    ''sanctuary city'' for illegals from mexico and their anchor babies. "Immigration reform", which is on
    the president's agenda, is the code word for more dependents on these programs.
    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    Thats exactley what I meant, And I have been up here in NJ since wednesday trying to help with little resources.So no time to watch fox. In a time of crisis, people tend to avoid change. Not only did Sandy take Bengazi off the radar, it gave obama a chance to act presidental.
    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    heard today that 50% od America actually believs that the financial crisis was caused by Bush and not by the real cause ... The let's get everybody into thier own house frenzy (irregardless if they can actually pay for it) frenzy led by Clinton and Barney Frank of the 90's and the subsequent forelosures when they couldn't pay for them.

    It's sad that a lie such as that has cost America it's future.
    Let the whining begin. The candidate you supported lost. Get over it. He was flawed from the start. Even conservatives didn't support him till they had no choice. All the bellyaching about Sandy and the housing crisis doesn't change the reality that Romney shot himself in the foot amongst groups whose support he needed to win. When the CEO's of GM and Chrysler do media releases refuting your campaign ads in battleground states, that should have been the first clue. Instead he doubled down and claimed it was true. Eventually that catches up with a candidate.

    As far as other arguments. They too are flawed. The only network carrying anything about Benghazi was Fox News. Hoping it could create an issue where none existed. As far as Barney Frank and Co. getting everyone into a house. That's a farce on two levels. First off, when this legislation was passed, Frank was in the minority. Believing that Dennis Hastert or Tom Delay were taking orders from him is ludicrous. Second of all there is this quote:

    Tonight we set a new goal: 7 million more affordable homes in the next 10 years, so more American families will be able to open the door and say, "Welcome to my home."
    Spoken by George W. Bush at the 2004 RNC when he accepted the nomination of his party. A party that claims to dislike deficit spending yet supported (and continues to support) individuals who supported programs that busted the budget and continue to contribute to the current deficit that now has them all concerned after looking the other way for eight years. Paul Ryan being the best example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    Rmoney wanted to get rid of FEMA.

    (BTW, I always get a chuckle at firefighters railing against "socialist programs". Every taxpayer supported fire department is essentially a "socialist program"... The non-socialist alternative? Pay for Spray. And we know how popular that is. )
    Agreed. The disconnect from reality vs conservative rhetoric from my conservative brothers was always puzzling to me. They would rant and rave about government and then demand our union go get them a raise and better benefits. It was the typical disconnect that government was bad, except for the part that benefitted them. My friend moonbat (aka txgp17) had a lot of "brothers" in my old department. Meanwhile they embrace a group that would have them qualifying for food stamps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    ...up here in NJ since wednesday ...
    Where abouts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picc.93Truck View Post
    I've never been a political guy, but due to today (yesterday) being election day, i watched some of the speech's and watched the elections. During this period I didn't hear a word out of any of their mouths about assisting emergency serviceman or the services them selves. So I ask the forum, who may be much more political intelligent then I, what has Obama stated he is going to do to help us? What was Romney's plan for us?
    Just a few things in Romney's plan for us were the following:
    * Eliminate AFG program
    * Eliminate SAFER program
    * Cuts to FEMA
    * Eliminate or greatly reduce the ability of career FFs to collectively bargain issues
    * National "Right to Work" legislation in attempt to weaken labor unions.

    Obama's plan is to not do any of that.

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    But I also don't see where Obama is helping us...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picc.93Truck View Post
    But I also don't see where Obama is helping us...
    By not doing any of the things outlined by firemedic049.

    Not coming after someone is better than being on defense against someone that is attacking you.

    Which in case you haven't noticed is part of the conservative agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    By not doing any of the things outlined by firemedic049.

    Not coming after someone is better than being on defense against someone that is attacking you.

    Which in case you haven't noticed is part of the conservative agenda.
    Yeah No I understand all that, but by leaving the Fire service alone, is not doing anything for it. The fire service needs help, You cannot sit there and tell me that this is a thriving opportunity for anyone... We need the help, and its not right that the only way we can make "good" is if things don't get taken away from us....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picc.93Truck View Post
    Yeah No I understand all that, but by leaving the Fire service alone, is not doing anything for it. The fire service needs help, You cannot sit there and tell me that this is a thriving opportunity for anyone... We need the help, and its not right that the only way we can make "good" is if things don't get taken away from us....
    Romney was quoted saying
    we don't need more firefighters, more police officers
    When he was Governor of Massachusetts, he turned his back on Massachusetts' fire service... he wanted to just about eliminate all funding for the Department of Fire Services which included the State Fire Marshal's office, the State Fire Academy and the State's hazmat response teams while tripling the budget of the State Police at DFS's expense.
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    Well then I'm pretty happy he didn't win. Downsizing of the fire service, well we all know what that would mean. Understanding that if Mitt did win, He would have negatively impacted the fire service, What impact is Obama going to have on the Fire Service in the next 4 years? Any guesses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Where abouts?
    I am in Monmouth county -Monmouth beach/ union beach.
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    I would have absolutly no issue with SAFER being eliminated as well as any federal program funding local police. Emergency services staffing should be funded locally and the community should have what it's residents decide they want to afford.

    Fire and police staffing in Camden or Podunk isn't my problem, and shouldn't be my problem unless I live there.

    I have similiar feelings about FireAct. Even though we have recieved money, I see much of it being wasted nationally. If you really beleive in the program, send it to the states based on population and allow the states to manage the funding. If the program was eliminated it would not break my heart in any way.

    The only role that i see the federal government in the fire service is a prevention role and training role through FEMA, and even much of the training role could again be farmed out to the states through block grants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    Just a few things in Romney's plan for us were the following:
    * Eliminate AFG program
    * Eliminate SAFER program
    * Cuts to FEMA
    * Eliminate or greatly reduce the ability of career FFs to collectively bargain issues
    * National "Right to Work" legislation in attempt to weaken labor unions.

    Obama's plan is to not do any of that.
    I would like to see a fact based source to back that up.

    Comparing government services to welfare programs that have gone rampant is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I pay for police and fire, I reap the benefits of those services when I need them.

    Which one of you have reaped the benefits from the career welfare folks talking on their Obama phones eating steaks they paid for with EBT cards?
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    With either of the two we were still headed down the toilet....stop with the polorized party line BS...stop, and think about all the facts...use logic....and construct a valid assesment of whats going on. Mitt is no Gem...nor is the lame duck we still have....and just remember, states have a-lot to do with programs and how they are managed.....furthore more...I look at much of the federalies like this....I left my parents home when I was 18 and never returned, I never asked for a hand out or help, everything I did was on my own...of my decision, and at some point, you have to kick out your 40 something dead beat, drunken, uncle....if you let him stay on your couch, he'll just become a bigger parasite...


    ...its a rambling, but I've worked 146 hours last week...and another 54 since monday...and have to go back to school today...Im a bit punchy and starting to crack....

    Stay safe....

    ps...is it me or does anyone else this Posiden is still holding a grudge agaisnt Odesyuss? And all over an eye jammie....Either that or someone needs to check on the gates of tartarus....something may be missing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I would have absolutly no issue with SAFER being eliminated as well as any federal program funding local police. Emergency services staffing should be funded locally and the community should have what it's residents decide they want to afford.

    Fire and police staffing in Camden or Podunk isn't my problem, and shouldn't be my problem unless I live there.

    I have similiar feelings about FireAct. Even though we have recieved money, I see much of it being wasted nationally. If you really beleive in the program, send it to the states based on population and allow the states to manage the funding. If the program was eliminated it would not break my heart in any way.

    The only role that i see the federal government in the fire service is a prevention role and training role through FEMA, and even much of the training role could again be farmed out to the states through block grants.
    Please stop responding to topics and run along. You continue to be an embarrassment to the fire service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    With either of the two we were still headed down the toilet....stop with the polorized party line BS...stop, and think about all the facts...use logic....and construct a valid assesment of whats going on. Mitt is no Gem...nor is the lame duck we still have....and just remember, states have a-lot to do with programs and how they are managed.....furthore more...I look at much of the federalies like this....I left my parents home when I was 18 and never returned, I never asked for a hand out or help, everything I did was on my own...of my decision, and at some point, you have to kick out your 40 something dead beat, drunken, uncle....if you let him stay on your couch, he'll just become a bigger parasite...
    I would agree to a point. But I also agree with Obama and Warren. There is certainly a lot of initiative that one needs to be self reliant and self sufficient. But there are things government provides that allows for the opportunities to be there for the individual. An individual doesn't build a bridge or a highway. That's an example, there are many others.

    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    ...its a rambling, but I've worked 146 hours last week...and another 54 since monday...and have to go back to school today...Im a bit punchy and starting to crack....

    Stay safe....
    Be safe my friend.

    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    ps...is it me or does anyone else this Posiden is still holding a grudge agaisnt Odesyuss? And all over an eye jammie....Either that or someone needs to check on the gates of tartarus....something may be missing....
    Pretty much. But I see good changes coming. Reid is going to change senate rules so that things can actually get done.
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    Yes I agree. Let the whining begin. As a 24 yearveteran of the fire service, vol. and career, I must ask-Who feels entitled here? We need to learn to survive with less or we will be replaced by free enterprise. There is nothing wrong with becoming more efficient. Serve your customers. They are the ones that decide our fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Please stop responding to topics and run along. You continue to be an embarrassment to the fire service.
    Please explain to me why i should be funding an engine company in detroit or Camden with my federal tax dollors? Why should I be funding cops in Buffalo, or anywhere else?

    If you beleive that the federal government actuaklly should have a role in funding everyday staffing a community, so be it. I disagree. local staffing is just that, and it should be funded 100% locally.

    And yes, I also don't believe that we should be buying fire and police apparatus and equipment for local departments. Again .. local needs .. local funding.

    And you continue to be a fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Please explain to me why i should be funding an engine company in detroit or Camden with my federal tax dollors? Why should I be funding cops in Buffalo, or anywhere else?

    If you beleive that the federal government actuaklly should have a role in funding everyday staffing a community, so be it. I disagree. local staffing is just that, and it should be funded 100% locally.

    And yes, I also don't believe that we should be buying fire and police apparatus and equipment for local departments. Again .. local needs .. local funding.

    And you continue to be a fool.
    For the same reason I have to pay for subsidies to private "for profit" oil and gas companies.

    You make the assumption all local communities can afford apparatus. You assume a lot of things. Like the fact that your opinions are intelligent or informed. The rest of us stopped thinking that about you long ago. Especially as it relates to the fire service.
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