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    Quote Originally Posted by Picc.93Truck View Post
    I've never been a political guy, but due to today (yesterday) being election day, i watched some of the speech's and watched the elections. During this period I didn't hear a word out of any of their mouths about assisting emergency serviceman or the services them selves. So I ask the forum, who may be much more political intelligent then I, what has Obama stated he is going to do to help us? What was Romney's plan for us?
    Just a few things in Romney's plan for us were the following:
    * Eliminate AFG program
    * Eliminate SAFER program
    * Cuts to FEMA
    * Eliminate or greatly reduce the ability of career FFs to collectively bargain issues
    * National "Right to Work" legislation in attempt to weaken labor unions.

    Obama's plan is to not do any of that.

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    But I also don't see where Obama is helping us...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picc.93Truck View Post
    But I also don't see where Obama is helping us...
    By not doing any of the things outlined by firemedic049.

    Not coming after someone is better than being on defense against someone that is attacking you.

    Which in case you haven't noticed is part of the conservative agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    By not doing any of the things outlined by firemedic049.

    Not coming after someone is better than being on defense against someone that is attacking you.

    Which in case you haven't noticed is part of the conservative agenda.
    Yeah No I understand all that, but by leaving the Fire service alone, is not doing anything for it. The fire service needs help, You cannot sit there and tell me that this is a thriving opportunity for anyone... We need the help, and its not right that the only way we can make "good" is if things don't get taken away from us....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picc.93Truck View Post
    Yeah No I understand all that, but by leaving the Fire service alone, is not doing anything for it. The fire service needs help, You cannot sit there and tell me that this is a thriving opportunity for anyone... We need the help, and its not right that the only way we can make "good" is if things don't get taken away from us....
    Romney was quoted saying
    we don't need more firefighters, more police officers
    When he was Governor of Massachusetts, he turned his back on Massachusetts' fire service... he wanted to just about eliminate all funding for the Department of Fire Services which included the State Fire Marshal's office, the State Fire Academy and the State's hazmat response teams while tripling the budget of the State Police at DFS's expense.
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    Well then I'm pretty happy he didn't win. Downsizing of the fire service, well we all know what that would mean. Understanding that if Mitt did win, He would have negatively impacted the fire service, What impact is Obama going to have on the Fire Service in the next 4 years? Any guesses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Where abouts?
    I am in Monmouth county -Monmouth beach/ union beach.
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    I would have absolutly no issue with SAFER being eliminated as well as any federal program funding local police. Emergency services staffing should be funded locally and the community should have what it's residents decide they want to afford.

    Fire and police staffing in Camden or Podunk isn't my problem, and shouldn't be my problem unless I live there.

    I have similiar feelings about FireAct. Even though we have recieved money, I see much of it being wasted nationally. If you really beleive in the program, send it to the states based on population and allow the states to manage the funding. If the program was eliminated it would not break my heart in any way.

    The only role that i see the federal government in the fire service is a prevention role and training role through FEMA, and even much of the training role could again be farmed out to the states through block grants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    Just a few things in Romney's plan for us were the following:
    * Eliminate AFG program
    * Eliminate SAFER program
    * Cuts to FEMA
    * Eliminate or greatly reduce the ability of career FFs to collectively bargain issues
    * National "Right to Work" legislation in attempt to weaken labor unions.

    Obama's plan is to not do any of that.
    I would like to see a fact based source to back that up.

    Comparing government services to welfare programs that have gone rampant is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I pay for police and fire, I reap the benefits of those services when I need them.

    Which one of you have reaped the benefits from the career welfare folks talking on their Obama phones eating steaks they paid for with EBT cards?
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    With either of the two we were still headed down the toilet....stop with the polorized party line BS...stop, and think about all the facts...use logic....and construct a valid assesment of whats going on. Mitt is no Gem...nor is the lame duck we still have....and just remember, states have a-lot to do with programs and how they are managed.....furthore more...I look at much of the federalies like this....I left my parents home when I was 18 and never returned, I never asked for a hand out or help, everything I did was on my own...of my decision, and at some point, you have to kick out your 40 something dead beat, drunken, uncle....if you let him stay on your couch, he'll just become a bigger parasite...


    ...its a rambling, but I've worked 146 hours last week...and another 54 since monday...and have to go back to school today...Im a bit punchy and starting to crack....

    Stay safe....

    ps...is it me or does anyone else this Posiden is still holding a grudge agaisnt Odesyuss? And all over an eye jammie....Either that or someone needs to check on the gates of tartarus....something may be missing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I would have absolutly no issue with SAFER being eliminated as well as any federal program funding local police. Emergency services staffing should be funded locally and the community should have what it's residents decide they want to afford.

    Fire and police staffing in Camden or Podunk isn't my problem, and shouldn't be my problem unless I live there.

    I have similiar feelings about FireAct. Even though we have recieved money, I see much of it being wasted nationally. If you really beleive in the program, send it to the states based on population and allow the states to manage the funding. If the program was eliminated it would not break my heart in any way.

    The only role that i see the federal government in the fire service is a prevention role and training role through FEMA, and even much of the training role could again be farmed out to the states through block grants.
    Please stop responding to topics and run along. You continue to be an embarrassment to the fire service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    With either of the two we were still headed down the toilet....stop with the polorized party line BS...stop, and think about all the facts...use logic....and construct a valid assesment of whats going on. Mitt is no Gem...nor is the lame duck we still have....and just remember, states have a-lot to do with programs and how they are managed.....furthore more...I look at much of the federalies like this....I left my parents home when I was 18 and never returned, I never asked for a hand out or help, everything I did was on my own...of my decision, and at some point, you have to kick out your 40 something dead beat, drunken, uncle....if you let him stay on your couch, he'll just become a bigger parasite...
    I would agree to a point. But I also agree with Obama and Warren. There is certainly a lot of initiative that one needs to be self reliant and self sufficient. But there are things government provides that allows for the opportunities to be there for the individual. An individual doesn't build a bridge or a highway. That's an example, there are many others.

    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    ...its a rambling, but I've worked 146 hours last week...and another 54 since monday...and have to go back to school today...Im a bit punchy and starting to crack....

    Stay safe....
    Be safe my friend.

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    ps...is it me or does anyone else this Posiden is still holding a grudge agaisnt Odesyuss? And all over an eye jammie....Either that or someone needs to check on the gates of tartarus....something may be missing....
    Pretty much. But I see good changes coming. Reid is going to change senate rules so that things can actually get done.
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    Yes I agree. Let the whining begin. As a 24 yearveteran of the fire service, vol. and career, I must ask-Who feels entitled here? We need to learn to survive with less or we will be replaced by free enterprise. There is nothing wrong with becoming more efficient. Serve your customers. They are the ones that decide our fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Please stop responding to topics and run along. You continue to be an embarrassment to the fire service.
    Please explain to me why i should be funding an engine company in detroit or Camden with my federal tax dollors? Why should I be funding cops in Buffalo, or anywhere else?

    If you beleive that the federal government actuaklly should have a role in funding everyday staffing a community, so be it. I disagree. local staffing is just that, and it should be funded 100% locally.

    And yes, I also don't believe that we should be buying fire and police apparatus and equipment for local departments. Again .. local needs .. local funding.

    And you continue to be a fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Please explain to me why i should be funding an engine company in detroit or Camden with my federal tax dollors? Why should I be funding cops in Buffalo, or anywhere else?

    If you beleive that the federal government actuaklly should have a role in funding everyday staffing a community, so be it. I disagree. local staffing is just that, and it should be funded 100% locally.

    And yes, I also don't believe that we should be buying fire and police apparatus and equipment for local departments. Again .. local needs .. local funding.

    And you continue to be a fool.
    For the same reason I have to pay for subsidies to private "for profit" oil and gas companies.

    You make the assumption all local communities can afford apparatus. You assume a lot of things. Like the fact that your opinions are intelligent or informed. The rest of us stopped thinking that about you long ago. Especially as it relates to the fire service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bestside View Post
    .Talking about entitlement programs,
    You know whats funny. I think it is a rare few that see them as something they are entitled to. Yes people abuse the systems but that is always going to be a problem. The start of trying to make the quick buck over hard work is where most of that started IMO. But there are also tons of hard working people having a hard time that need those programs to assist them to get back on there feet.

    Also you talk about entitlement. How is wanting or expecting tax cuts because you make over X amount or fall between X amount and Y amount not entitlement issue?

    My point being you right now feel you are entitled to something while accusing others of having entitlement issues. Weither you admit it or not you feel entitled to something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    For the same reason I have to pay for subsidies to private "for profit" oil and gas companies.

    Most of those "subsidies" are actually accounting functions as compared to actual dollars.

    You make the assumption all local communities can afford apparatus. You assume a lot of things. Like the fact that your opinions are intelligent or informed. The rest of us stopped thinking that about you long ago. Especially as it relates to the fire service.
    I have served in and around some departments with limited funds. Giving away cash for them to buy apparatus with federal dollars is not the answer.

    Maybe I would feel differently if the program provided a standard plain Jane truck for rural operations as compared to funding bells and whistle for surburban and semi-urban departments that could likely fund the apparatus without assistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I have served in and around some departments with limited funds. Giving away cash for them to buy apparatus with federal dollars is not the answer.
    I disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Maybe I would feel differently if the program provided a standard plain Jane truck for rural operations as compared to funding bells and whistle for surburban and semi-urban departments that could likely fund the apparatus without assistance.
    Maybe you would feel differently if you once read a book with no pictures in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Please explain to me why i should be funding an engine company in detroit or Camden with my federal tax dollors? Why should I be funding cops in Buffalo, or anywhere else?

    Please explain to me why my federal tax dollars should be building a levee to keep a city built under water from flooding? Please explain to me why my federal tax dollars should have been spent in emergency response to that flooding from Katrina? Please explain to me why my federal tax dollars were and are being spent to rebuild the sunken city? It's always funny listening to people whine and complain about how federal dollars are being spent until they need the money at their doorstep.

    I have to agree with scfire86 please stop posting and go away you are becoming a bigger embarassment every day with your no brainer posts.


    If you beleive that the federal government actuaklly should have a role in funding everyday staffing a community, so be it. I disagree. local staffing is just that, and it should be funded 100% locally.

    If you believe they shouldn't, justify why MY tax dollars should be spent rebuilding a city that almost 100% will be flooded and destroyed again in the future.

    And yes, I also don't believe that we should be buying fire and police apparatus and equipment for local departments. Again .. local needs .. local funding.

    And I don't believe for one second a single penny of my tax dollars should be spent rebuilding a city built essentially underwater. Here in Wisconsin 2 villages were completely MOVED out of areas that flooded over and over. Yet here we are spending tax payer dollars on one city, in one state, that WILL get hit again and destroyed again. Maybe not tomorrow, or next year, but it will happen, and YOU know it.

    And you continue to be a fool.

    Give me a check off box on my tax form that allows me to opt out of spending my tax dollars on Louisiana and I will agree with you. Until then this is just another example of your unbelievable hypocrisy at work.

    I wish you would go away but you won't. You will try to counter this with some absolute BS and yet it will only prove what a hypocrite you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipys View Post
    You know whats funny. I think it is a rare few that see them as something they are entitled to. Yes people abuse the systems but that is always going to be a problem. The start of trying to make the quick buck over hard work is where most of that started IMO. But there are also tons of hard working people having a hard time that need those programs to assist them to get back on there feet.

    Also you talk about entitlement. How is wanting or expecting tax cuts because you make over X amount or fall between X amount and Y amount not entitlement issue?

    My point being you right now feel you are entitled to something while accusing others of having entitlement issues. Weither you admit it or not you feel entitled to something.
    Your argument makes positively no sense. I'll give you this: We do need welfare, food stamps, etc., because there are some people who legitimately deserve them while they try to improve themselves.

    But from there you are in the crapper. You are saying that my desire to take home as much pay as possible from MY job is the same sense of entitlement as some sleazebag has for wanting money to provide groceries, health care, utilities, housing, child care, and everything else, despite making absolutely no effort to get a job?

    Little friend, spend some quality time in eastern Kentucky and you will see exactly what the entitlement mentality has done to a bunch of programs that should be good for America but are instead devouring our financial resources at an alarming and disgusting rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picc.93Truck View Post
    What impact is Obama going to have on the Fire Service in the next 4 years? Any guesses?
    I think it's unlikely that there will be some new major initiative to benefit the fire service during that time period. I think it's more likely that we'll see a continuation of programs in place now and maybe some increases in the annual allotments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    I would like to see a fact based source to back that up.

    Comparing government services to welfare programs that have gone rampant is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I pay for police and fire, I reap the benefits of those services when I need them.

    Which one of you have reaped the benefits from the career welfare folks talking on their Obama phones eating steaks they paid for with EBT cards?
    Who are you talking too? Your statements and question don't seem to coincide with the post you quoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    Who are you talking too? Your statements and question don't seem to coincide with the post you quoted.

    My bad. The source request was in response to your post I quoted. The rest was in response to other stuff going on in the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I wish you would go away but you won't. You will try to counter this with some absolute BS and yet it will only prove what a hypocrite you are.

    One could easily argue that there is a major difference between funding disaster response and everyday responses. Sorry, but I'm not in the camp that says that local firefighters and cops should be paid with federal money for everyday responses. Local response is a local issue. If they can't afford all the career members they would like, make mutual aid arrangements or supplement the career staffing with volunteers.

    Funny thing is we agree on the flooding issue.

    Buildings in high-liklihood/repeat flood zones should not be rebuilt with federal money, and yes, that includes places like NO.

    I feel the same way about government assistance in repeat wildland fire areas such as southern Kalifornia unless there are mitigation and building materials and code requirements attached that will significantly reduce the threat of a repeat incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    Little friend, spend some quality time in eastern Kentucky and you will see exactly what the entitlement mentality has done to a bunch of programs that should be good for America but are instead devouring our financial resources at an alarming and disgusting rate.
    Little buddy. Maybe things are worse in eastern Kentucky than other places. But the real consumers of entitlements are the CEO's of banks and auto companies who demanded bailouts from the taxpayer to compensate for their poor business decisions. Threatening to take the US and world economies down with them. Or the defense contractor who earns millions off of taxpayer funded contracts in the belief that they are in private enterprise.

    I know there are people who game the system, but believing the entitlement mindset is the sole province of the underclasses of our society is woefully ignorant or naive.
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