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    "No one is born as stupid as you. You worked hard to get to that level. Congratulations."

    Here's our first problem, especially with the "don't be helping folks with MY money" crowd. You disagree with me, you're: fill in your favorite insult. Sickening.

    It's also so funny to hear the whining about socialism, when FD's, even local ones, are about as close to socialism as you can get. If you're having ideological heartburn about that, then put up and quit and go to work for a private co. - maybe a private fire co., and run with 1-2 people on a truck co, 'cuz of all those expensive salaries for nothing but washing your car. Run FD's like a private business.

    Yes, there are plenty of abusers, and like the repeated (over and over and over and over) Rushbo story of the woman with three kids, smoking cigs, in her pajamas, driving a brand new SUV, using food stamps - here's a little parallel: "I drive by the firehouse and those slackers are washing their cars, lifting weights, watching TV, eating all on MY dime! They're a bunch of slackers and we don't need them." Generalizations, based on little information and ignorance, and painting a negative picture of many good people, including some of the folks that really only want to lift weights and don't want to protect the public - lumping the slackers/losers in with the folks that are the heart of our industry.

    So: welfare abusers - everyone is in a gimme' society, so cut everyone off because it's my hard-earned money; followed by: those slackers just wash their car and chase chicks, they don't want to work - fire them all, and just put one or two guys in pickups to go to fires, what have they ever done for me?. Listen to Fox, Rush, Glenn, Sean - it seems the 50+% of population, that voted for Obama, want and expect a handout, and that's why they voted that way.

    The real insanity is that some people actually listen to those idiots.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    My bad. The source request was in response to your post I quoted. The rest was in response to other stuff going on in the thread.
    The source was Mitt Romney himself, but I'm not sure if he would be considered "fact based".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I feel the same way about government assistance in repeat wildland fire areas such as southern Kalifornia unless there are mitigation and building materials and code requirements attached that will significantly reduce the threat of a repeat incident.
    I hear that Romney had a plan to stop the dry hot weather and lightning storms that cause 90% of the fires in California, but his consulting fee was too high. Guess we will never know.
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    "The only network carrying anything about Benghazi was Fox News. Hoping it could create an issue where none existed."

    REALLY??

    Americans died there, it IS an issue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    "The only network carrying anything about Benghazi was Fox News. Hoping it could create an issue where none existed."

    REALLY??

    Americans died there, it IS an issue!
    agree 100%- tell the parents of the gentlemen killed it is not an "issue:
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    By not doing any of the things outlined by firemedic049.

    Not coming after someone is better than being on defense against someone that is attacking you.

    Which in case you haven't noticed is part of the conservative agenda.
    Obama was just going to do it the round about way by driving the country into the ground. Then nobody would be able to fund any services wether they wanted to or not. I'm pretty much disgusted by all politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Gotcha. They had some house movement up there....

    One of my members is a teacher in that area.
    Very nice people there (so far)-and STRONG work ethic
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    BTW, I don't see anything "socialist" about Emergency Services. It's a necessary service, vital to the function of any society. That's like saying the highway dept. is socialist. You can't have a toll road on every block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDV1 View Post
    "No one is born as stupid as you. You worked hard to get to that level. Congratulations."

    Here's our first problem, especially with the "don't be helping folks with MY money" crowd. You disagree with me, you're: fill in your favorite insult. Sickening.

    It's also so funny to hear the whining about socialism, when FD's, even local ones, are about as close to socialism as you can get. If you're having ideological heartburn about that, then put up and quit and go to work for a private co. - maybe a private fire co., and run with 1-2 people on a truck co, 'cuz of all those expensive salaries for nothing but washing your car. Run FD's like a private business.

    Yes, there are plenty of abusers, and like the repeated (over and over and over and over) Rushbo story of the woman with three kids, smoking cigs, in her pajamas, driving a brand new SUV, using food stamps - here's a little parallel: "I drive by the firehouse and those slackers are washing their cars, lifting weights, watching TV, eating all on MY dime! They're a bunch of slackers and we don't need them." Generalizations, based on little information and ignorance, and painting a negative picture of many good people, including some of the folks that really only want to lift weights and don't want to protect the public - lumping the slackers/losers in with the folks that are the heart of our industry.

    So: welfare abusers - everyone is in a gimme' society, so cut everyone off because it's my hard-earned money; followed by: those slackers just wash their car and chase chicks, they don't want to work - fire them all, and just put one or two guys in pickups to go to fires, what have they ever done for me?. Listen to Fox, Rush, Glenn, Sean - it seems the 50+% of population, that voted for Obama, want and expect a handout, and that's why they voted that way.

    The real insanity is that some people actually listen to those idiots.
    O.K. thats nice. NOW seems like a good time for you to sit down with your physician and review your prescriptions.

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    Here's what I'm talking about! Rw tools with no ideas, just "witty" retorts. Hopeless.

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    Not sure, but you seem to get the point, sort of - "redistribution" described as some communist/socialist plot. Fire/highway services - we all.put in money (taxes), it's redistributed in a fashion that benefits all of us, no matter who needs it - the general public. Yes, you can't privatize roads, they are paid for, and belong to, all of us. So, you actually agree with me. "You" didn't build it, we all did who paid taxes and came before you. It's provided so we can have protection, ease of transportation, freedom to move around and run and build our businesses and make money, go to school, respond to fires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    BTW, I don't see anything "socialist" about Emergency Services. It's a necessary service, vital to the function of any society. That's like saying the highway dept. is socialist. You can't have a toll road on every block.
    They are socialist in the context of how contemporary conservatives are now defining socialism. You may believe it necessary. However, there is a faction in the conservative movement that believes all taxation is taken through force against their will and given to others. In this case, "others" refers to those individuals who are paid via forcible taxation to provide the service you believe is necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    "The only network carrying anything about Benghazi was Fox News. Hoping it could create an issue where none existed."

    REALLY??

    Americans died there, it IS an issue!
    We don't know all the facts yet. However, conservatives are trying to create an issue claiming there are grounds for impeachment. I sort of hope they push this issue to that level. That should be fun to watch.

    On another note, I actually enjoy watching Fox News. The whinefest of victimhood has been pretty hysterical. I know there are five stages of grief. I'm just not sure which one is in play.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Obama was just going to do it the round about way by driving the country into the ground. Then nobody would be able to fund any services wether they wanted to or not. I'm pretty much disgusted by all politicians.
    Funny, liberals said the same thing during the Bush years. Somehow the nation managed. BTW, I'm old enough to remember the election between Eisenhower and Stevenson. The rhetoric being directed by both sides at each other is nothing new. My biggest amusement with conservatives is how they yearn for an America (from the 50's) that never really existed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post

    We don't know all the facts yet.

    What other facts do you need? Our people were attacked and had insufficient protection. Americans died. Enough said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    What other facts do you need? Our people were attacked and had insufficient protection. Americans died. Enough said.
    Like I said. We don't know all the facts yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Like I said. We don't know all the facts yet.
    While I won't wade in to the other politics of the thread...we have a firefighter here who worked embassy security for several years when he was in the Marines. I paid attention to what he had to say because he was an ardent Romney supporter. He just sort of shrugged his shoulders at this supposed Libya conspiracy. He says there are many embassies out there that have virtually no protection whatsoever. It's far more dangerous work than most people realize. Some countries will not allow the U.S. to have a military detachment for security. So it's either 1. Have an embassy presence and we'll help you find a local private firm you can hire, or 2. Don't have an embassy here. The government typically picks number 1, and has done so through dozens of years of both Republican and Democratic presidents. Our guy goes on to note that if anybody is going to lose their job it will be Clinton. If embassy staff had been asking for weeks and months for beefed up military protection (and the Libyan government was willing to allow it), and it wasn't provided, that will be on her. He said people are grasping at straws if they think they can take the president down over this. It will never get that high on the food chain.
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    Another thing to consider about the Bengahzi attacks: Revenge for the attack must be brought upon the proper perpetrator. When Reagan sent a few F-111 Aardvarks to Libya (Operation El Dorado Canyon was the name of the military operation President Ronald Reagan ordered against Libya on April 15, 1986, in retaliation for a terrorist bombing at a Berlin, Germany, discotheque that April 5), it was done in an age when the spomsors of terrorism were more clearly defined.

    Al Qaeda is a organization that operates in the shadows. I am sure that revenge for Bengahzi will occur, but we have to nail the right perps. In case some of you forgot, it took over 10 years to get Bin Laden. Who knows is revenge has already been taken, the SEALS, Marine Recon and Delta Force run some of the blackest of black ops, and those opration can never and will never be known to John and Jane Q. Public. Thosewho participated hae commendations and medals that can never be shown or talked about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief_Roy View Post
    While I won't wade in to the other politics of the thread...we have a firefighter here who worked embassy security for several years when he was in the Marines. I paid attention to what he had to say because he was an ardent Romney supporter. He just sort of shrugged his shoulders at this supposed Libya conspiracy. He says there are many embassies out there that have virtually no protection whatsoever. It's far more dangerous work than most people realize. Some countries will not allow the U.S. to have a military detachment for security. So it's either 1. Have an embassy presence and we'll help you find a local private firm you can hire, or 2. Don't have an embassy here. The government typically picks number 1, and has done so through dozens of years of both Republican and Democratic presidents. Our guy goes on to note that if anybody is going to lose their job it will be Clinton. If embassy staff had been asking for weeks and months for beefed up military protection (and the Libyan government was willing to allow it), and it wasn't provided, that will be on her. He said people are grasping at straws if they think they can take the president down over this. It will never get that high on the food chain.
    I have no doubt all of what this individual says is absolutely true.

    Complicating this whole saga is the resignation of CIA Director Gen. Petraeus the week before he was supposed to testify. The conspiracy wackos are already in overdrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Another thing to consider about the Bengahzi attacks: Revenge for the attack must be brought upon the proper perpetrator. When Reagan sent a few F-111 Aardvarks to Libya (Operation El Dorado Canyon was the name of the military operation President Ronald Reagan ordered against Libya on April 15, 1986, in retaliation for a terrorist bombing at a Berlin, Germany, discotheque that April 5), it was done in an age when the spomsors of terrorism were more clearly defined.

    Al Qaeda is a organization that operates in the shadows. I am sure that revenge for Bengahzi will occur, but we have to nail the right perps. In case some of you forgot, it took over 10 years to get Bin Laden. Who knows is revenge has already been taken, the SEALS, Marine Recon and Delta Force run some of the blackest of black ops, and those opration can never and will never be known to John and Jane Q. Public. Thosewho participated hae commendations and medals that can never be shown or talked about.
    Thank you so much.. Alot of people want bombs and explosions on CNN..war isn't like that any more and hopefully never will. It's all about small groups of highly trained men doing missions no one will ever know about.. Unmanned aircraft, the battle ground is much more asymmetric now. Maybe some of the nuke em mentality will stop around here.

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    Conventional needs are still present. I will bet my 18 years in the Corps on it. The direction BHO mentioned is NOT supported by all the services. Many Marine and Army leaders know we still need standard grunts with a bayonet that will take and hold ground. Small seal teams and ates can not do that...at all.

    Next....I find it very interesting that Petreus has resigned....very interesting timing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    Conventional needs are still present. I will bet my 18 years in the Corps on it. The direction BHO mentioned is NOT supported by all the services. Many Marine and Army leaders know we still need standard grunts with a bayonet that will take and hold ground. Small seal teams and ates can not do that...at all.

    Next....I find it very interesting that Petreus has resigned....very interesting timing.
    Awww....dude you have better have a current rabies shot, you gonna have scfire86 gnawing on your leg for the Petreus thing by morning.

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