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    What do you use? Yosemite rig or a manufactured system?

    After a class that many of our guys went through about 10 years ago, our department got away from the Stokes and favored the SKED. After some new training and some calls where the stokes would have potentially worked better than the Sked, I have finally convinced the Chief to buy some new litters.

    I have used both rigging options but am by no means a rope expert and can't think of a better place to come for expertise than here. So if I could get any advantages/disadvantages from everyone, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for your help fellas.
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    We have SKED's for confined space. In a LARRO class I recently took, we used the stokes to transport a patient over very rough terrain for about a 1/2 mile. We had to get over rocks and boulders. I think this evolution would have been very difficult on the patient if we were using the SKED.
    My thinking is it is situational dependent. Good question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backsteprescue123 View Post
    What do you use? Yosemite rig or a manufactured system?

    After a class that many of our guys went through about 10 years ago, our department got away from the Stokes and favored the SKED. After some new training and some calls where the stokes would have potentially worked better than the Sked, I have finally convinced the Chief to buy some new litters.

    I have used both rigging options but am by no means a rope expert and can't think of a better place to come for expertise than here. So if I could get any advantages/disadvantages from everyone, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for your help fellas.
    CMC Rescue makes a stokes basket that has a more narrow profile and is meant for confined spaces. I've never really found the stokes to work out so well purely based on the fact that you cant to an extent bend or manipulate it through tight spaces,turns and smaller egress holes. The SKED has always been my department's,USAR Team and personal tool of choice. I have worked with something called a Rite Rescue System and it worked great in confined spaces and trenches. The LSP Halfback is another great piece of equipment. It allows you to package a patient, provide spinal protection and raise them in a seated position. Hope this helps.
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    I agree with what you say, but for rural applications where the victim may be trekked across rough terrain, the burrito wrapper may become very uncomfortable. Like I said, I think the situation dictates the device.
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    Ha....Just reread my post and for some reason I was focused on confined space. I think when I saw SKED it triggered that. I agree the situation will dictate your choice of equipment. backsteprescue123 I would use what you found to work for you and your team. There's so much equipment out there and dozens of ways to skin the same cat what works for me may not be on the top of your list. Trial and error sometimes is the best way to find what your looking for.
    I like using stokes most of the time. When it comes to a confined space rescue if I can't use a stokes I'll go with the SKED or LSP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressiveRescue View Post
    Ha....Just reread my post and for some reason I was focused on confined space. I think when I saw SKED it triggered that. I agree the situation will dictate your choice of equipment. backsteprescue123 I would use what you found to work for you and your team. There's so much equipment out there and dozens of ways to skin the same cat what works for me may not be on the top of your list. Trial and error sometimes is the best way to find what your looking for.
    I like using stokes most of the time. When it comes to a confined space rescue if I can't use a stokes I'll go with the SKED or LSP.
    Mike Donahue
    I couldn't agree more that the SKED is great tool for Confined Space! We have one and train with it regularly but for some other applications we have found that the Stokes works best and as we are buying some new litters we are considering buying a manufactured rig (to be fireman proof) and assembling a yosemite rig to be used by people who feel comfortable with it. Just to keep our options open.

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    Well, the stokes seems to be a good all around choice.
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    Never pick one and go with it. We enjoy the selection of many diffrent packaging options, each with a distinct advantage.

    Stokes- great ridged frame, awesome for comming off a building, parking garage or somehting urban. Horrible in the wilderness because the ridgid metal frame, with open basket catches on every stick, rock and hobbit it runs across.

    Ferno- The big orange solid plastic base makes it an obvious choice for wilderness, negotiates all the rocks and stumps well. Flexes a little, only rigidity is in the metal ring around the top, makes using a big wheel hard. Must incorperate capturing the metal ring around the top, nothing else is rated for lifting on it.

    Sterno- OK, this is a made up term, but for the baskets that have both a rigid metal frame with a solid plastic liner. Has the rigidity of a Stokes, and the patient protection of a Ferno.

    SKED w/ OSS and the LSP/Miller Halfback are also great for specific uses. Have used the LSP for moving a CVA patient down a narrow turning flight of stairs where everything EMS carried would not make the turns. Used the SKED yesterday removing a live patient in the Urban Shield exercise.



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    We rig our bridals as homemade spider bridals (don't know if that is what you call the Yosemite Bridal, for a google search shows weddings in the mountains) using 1/2" body cord, midpoint with a Fig8Bite and loops made of adjustable prusicks tied onto the ends.

    If we are going to go vertical basket orientation with no additional high help, we rig a midpoint attachment on the back of the basket (two girth hitched prusicks off the side rails of the basket with a tri-link in the middle). Main line goes to the head and belay on the midpoint. Makes the egde transition easier, tensioning the midpoint line and either swinging out or in the head of the basket.

    Also we have become profficent in going "equipment tight" where we take away tools (like the bridals or extra carabiners) from our teams in training. We can rig a basket just as quickly using a bowline with clovehitches around the rail.
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