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    Default Booby needs to stop being on here all the time and go and do some fire inspections...

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    Six Million Pounds? Six Million Pounds?
    That's 3000 tons
    2,721,554 kilograms
    95,999,992 ounces
    428,571 stone
    4.54881163296005E-19 earth mass
    Of pure unadulterated I don't see a F-in' thing!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    Six Million Pounds? Six Million Pounds?
    That's 3000 tons
    At least it happened to be the military version of gun powder which should be a low-order explosive. It shouldn't have the shock waves associated with high-order stuff if. Were it high-order, you would be able to claim 3 friggin' kilotons!!! (OK, I know a kiloton is a thousand METRIC tons but, I don't do metrics.) Still, that is one big ### firecracker.

    If it does blow and take out LA, this section of the forums will die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firepundit View Post
    At least it happened to be the military version of gun powder which should be a low-order explosive. It shouldn't have the shock waves associated with high-order stuff if. Were it high-order, you would be able to claim 3 friggin' kilotons!!! (OK, I know a kiloton is a thousand METRIC tons but, I don't do metrics.) Still, that is one big ### firecracker.

    If it does blow and take out LA, this section of the forums will die.

    I'm sure he would be far far away...
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    So what's bigger in this situation, the "Ka-" or the "Boom"?
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    Obviously none of you bothered to read his thread about this last week.

    Ya, I know, it's easier to just bash the guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Obviously none of you bothered to read his thread about this last week.

    Ya, I know, it's easier to just bash the guy.
    As a matter of fact, i did read it... and he said this

    The plan is unclear right now as this is aresult (sic) of an inspection of the facility itself by ATF earlier today, but I'm sure we'll be very involved with this transfer/removal operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    As a matter of fact, i did read it... and he said this
    Exactly, so "Booby needs to stop being on here all the time and go and do some fire inspections..." is incorrect, inappropriate, and nothing other than just being a *****. And the same half dozen or so normal crew will jump in here and post comments like they do on all of his threads.


    it's getting really old and tired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Exactly, so "Booby needs to stop being on here all the time and go and do some fire inspections..." is incorrect, inappropriate, and nothing other than just being a *****. And the same half dozen or so normal crew will jump in here and post comments like they do on all of his threads.


    it's getting really old and tired.
    Yeah, I kinda like to read fire related stuff once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Obviously none of you bothered to read his thread about this last week.

    Ya, I know, it's easier to just bash the guy.


    Thanks Bones.

    Just to interject some facts ........

    1. Even though we provide fire and rescue services to camp Minden we do not provide inspection services. The facility has it's own staff including an explosive expert on the safety staff to handle such matters internally. In fact my departmnent does not do inspections within our districts, for a number of reasons including the personnel required and the training. That may change in the future, but as of now, we are content to allow the State Fire Marshal's Office handle inspections. By the way, that is the way that most combo departments in this part of the state choose to handle inspections.

    2. Even if we did do inspections, the leased buildings on that facility fall under under the jurisdication of the State Fire Marshal's office when it comes to fire inspections as they are on s property owned and controlled by the LA Department of the Military

    3. The facility in question is in the Webster parish portion of the facility, not the Bossier parish portion, making them the governmental AHJ.

    4. The company, Explo, has refused the State Fire Marshal's Office admittance to thier properties. They have also in the past refused to allow the LA Department of the Military, from whom they lease the property, and the LA State Police, who is responsible for regulating explosives in the state admittance to the property.

    I had some other things posted but choose to delate thema fter rereading the post. It's information that does not need to be on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    I'm sure he would be far far away...

    Actually we all are, which only makes sense in dealing with explosives.
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    Thanks Bones.

    Just to interject some facts ........

    1. Even though we provide fire and rescue services to camp Minden we do not provide inspection services. The facility has it's own staff including an explosive expert on the safety staff to handle such matters internally. In fact my departmnent does not do inspections within our districts, for a number of reasons including the personnel required and the training. That may change in the future, but as of now, we are content to allow the State Fire Marshal's Office handle inspections. By the way, that is the way that most combo departments in this part of the state choose to handle inspections.

    2. Even if we did do inspections, the leased buildings on that facility fall under under the jurisdication of the State Fire Marshal's office when it comes to fire inspections as they are on s property owned and controlled by the LA Department of the Military

    3. The facility in question is in the Webster parish portion of the facility, not the Bossier parish portion, making them the governmental AHJ.

    4. The company, Explo, has refused to allow us on the property to do preplansd or give us information on thier operations. They have also refused to allow the State Fire Marshal's Office admittance to thier properties. They have also in the past refused to allow the LA Department of the Military, from whom they lease the property, and the LA State Police, who is responsible for regulating explosives in the state admittance to the property. I will not comment any further on this.

    I had some other things posted but choose to delete them after rereading the post. It's information that does not need to be on the internet at this time.
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    The company's name is "Explo"? Haha!
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    Oh never mind. I was going to type a long drawn out rant pointing out the value of fire inspections for fire prevention purposes (you know, that very thing that you preach constantly) and how if you utilized your paid guys as inspectors instead of janitors, you would have a heads up for pre-planning and prevention purposes.....but you would just defend your ignorance and backpedal.....as usual.

    And for the naysayers- dont like it, don't read the thread. HE wants to constantly peddle his poison, HE is going to get called out on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    Six Million Pounds? Six Million Pounds?
    That's 3000 tons
    2,721,554 kilograms
    95,999,992 ounces
    428,571 stone
    4.54881163296005E-19 earth mass
    Of pure unadulterated I don't see a F-in' thing!!
    I imagine it would look something like this fire and explosion involving 9 million pounds of rocket fuel. Occured near Henderson, Nevada in the 1980s. The larger explosions shattered windows 10 miles away.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K0cEX9ex3U

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    The company's name is "Explo"? Haha!
    Yes.

    It's actually Explo Systems.

    The actually had a major incident back in 2007, I believe, where their, at that time, mile long facility was completely destroyed in a series of massive explosions and resulting fires spanning a 36-hour time period.

    The entire Camp Minden complex was evacuated including the Youth Challenge program, the Webster parish Jail, all the other industrial occupancies and all of the National Guard facilitates as well as the town of Doyline for a 3-day period. To this day, that area is quarantined as they suspect the area is still littered with unexploded ordinance.

    It was actually quite a show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Oh never mind. I was going to type a long drawn out rant pointing out the value of fire inspections for fire prevention purposes (you know, that very thing that you preach constantly) and how if you utilized your paid guys as inspectors instead of janitors, you would have a heads up for pre-planning and prevention purposes.....but you would just defend your ignorance and backpedal.....as usual.

    And for the naysayers- dont like it, don't read the thread. HE wants to constantly peddle his poison, HE is going to get called out on it.
    Fully agree that prevention would have been a good thing, however, they apparently had people in powerful places that prevented us from doing pre-plans, as well as the LA Department of the Military, the LA State Fire Marshals Office and the LA State Police from coming onto the property.

    It took a federal agency, the ATF, to get the search warrants to come onto the property and discover what everyone had suspected about the operation.

    Wouldall the above mentioned state agencies have liked to have gotten on site much sooner? hell ya, but every time they tried to gain access after one of the many minor incidents that have occurred since they relocated into the new digs, they were thwarted by somebody at a higher level.

    And as I mentioned, we had no authority to perform inspections at Camp Minden as it was a state facility run by the Department of the Military. They have their own safety staff, and they utilize the State to perform inspections on their private tenants. We are contracted for fire and rescue RESPONSE only.

    And actually, our paid members do perform bi-annual pre-plan updates. I am tasked with conducting all new pre-plan reviews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    And as I mentioned, we had no authority to perform inspections at Camp Minden as it was a state facility run by the Department of the Military. They have their own safety staff, and they utilize the State to perform inspections on their private tenants.
    Then you should have said "Ok when you have a problem, dont call us. Thanks!"
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    Hey Bones,

    If you are waiting for me to jump on LA about this you will have a long wait. Why? I just don't give a damn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Then you should have said "Ok when you have a problem, dont call us. Thanks!"
    There was a lot of politcal pressure brought to bear when the volunteer system utilizing military personnel wasn't working out after my VFD pulled out.

    The reason was simple ... $$$. The facility was awarded over $!00M to build a National Guard Regional Training Facility (RTI) for the this part of the country which meant jobs and cash outside of the base for the area as once fully operational, it's expected to have 30,000 Guardsman come through the doors each year for weekend and week long classes. In addition, there was other private sector development on the Camp being looked at. Problem is for that to happen they needed fire protection

    The VFD was asked to reconsider and take protection back over. They said no.

    We were asked. We said no.

    They asked the VFD again. Nope, again.

    Then they came back to us with a whole bunch of local and state officials, and the police jury putting mucho pressure on us due to the $$$$$$ involved. And we did say yes, basically because we knew we really had no choice.

    We have a pretty good relationship with the Department of the Military and the National Guard. In fact, we just did vehicle extrication training for some Army Special Forces units. We have a very good relationship with 2 of the companies out there that also manufacture explosives and a descent relationship with a third.

    As far as Explo, we told them a few years ago that unless we could get on-site, we would not respond into the facility. They said fine, and the Department of the Military understood, There was another company out there, that has since left, that made white phosphorous flares, and would not allow us in claiming that since they were an Israeli owned company, their facility was on Isreali soil and we had no jurisdiction. We told them the same thing. In fact, the VFD had a fire there a couple of years before they pulled out where they almost lost personnel due to the fact that the company did not disclose that they were storing raw materilas in the vicinity of the fire.

    While we make no money off the contract their are benefits. We can take the apparatus off post to use in our district. The facility offers significant training opportunities. As an example we just used some very heavy military vehicles to test airbags for an upcoming replacement purchase. So it does have it's plus side as well.

    The hope is that once the RTI is up, the state will pay us to staff the station with at least 2 personnel as run volume will increase. We have been told by local officials that now that things are up and running, we have the option of telling the state that we are turning fire protection back to them with adequate notice. At this point, we have decided to continue to provide protection, at least until the RTI is fully operational..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    I am getting a pager....
    how does ur dept do that i am a explorer and i want 2 get a pager but the cheif says i have 2 b 18 and i am just 11 now so i dont no how to get a pager do u have one i could use?
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