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    Skojo,

    Pardon my bluntness, but is there some reason you feel you need to overcomplicate this with some shiny new gadget when you have been told by almost everyone here how to do it at minimal cost with equipment on hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    If you have a compressor at the fire house and air brakes on the engine, you don't need SCBA to charge a PW. For the small volume of air involved, a decent bicycle pump is all that you need anywhere you don't have one of those things handy. Seriously.

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    Anybody who buys a device to step-down SCBA pressure just to pressurize water cans is either dumb, stupid, brain damaged or a combination of all three. If you dont have an air chuck on your apparatus with air brakes, any competant shade-tree mechanic could install one in 2 hours or less (4 or less to do a really nice job) for about 20, maybe 30 bucks in materials, plus the cost of a short hose and a filling chuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Post what you found. Ours all have a nut on the top that hold the handle and pickup, but we only ever put them on hand tight. Never used a wrench here either.
    We use AMEREX. It has a knurled round exterior nut. Hand tightening works for us. I noticed that thr Pyro-Chem and the K-Guard have a hex nut at the top. Older models had what looked like a modified discharge cap on the top.
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    oh yeah I forgot to say that we add two shot glasses of 6% AFFF to our cans, and in the winter they get two shot glasses of RV anti-freeze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Frankly though, I can't imagine that there are so many unltra busy fire companies out there that it couldn't wait until you got back to quarters.

    Jeesh....... You need to get out more. On a recent Fire, (can't remember which one, they all run together after a while) we recharged our several cans on the scene and used them over and over...... Finally went to Master Streams..........



    Seriously, I have refilled them on the Street when we've been running a lot of Brush Fires..... Engine Driver can do it while the Crew is picking up.......
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    We have them at my department. We refill them all the time. Just use regular air from an air compressor. As far as I know they have done it that way for a long time. No problems so far, we even throw a little dawn in there for some foam action! haha

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    We are in the process of building a brush truck. The truck will have a Warn Powerplant winch installed with an attached air compressor for filling water cans in the field. Also for airing up tires in the event we were to air them down for going off road.
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    Seriously, why are you using PW extinguishers for brush fires? Around here the majority of brush rigs carry Indian Can hand pump water cans that you strap on your back. No need for a compressor, just refill with water and off you go again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Jeesh....... You need to get out more. On a recent Fire, (can't remember which one, they all run together after a while) we recharged our several cans on the scene and used them over and over...... Finally went to Master Streams..........
    This is why we don't use PW extinguishers. We use the old manual pump cans. Hold more water, and you can refill it right in the house, just use a bath tub. Your reach is just as good, and it's not exactly strenuous physical labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Seriously, why are you using PW extinguishers for brush fires? Around here the majority of brush rigs carry Indian Can hand pump water cans that you strap on your back. No need for a compressor, just refill with water and off you go again.
    A PW has better reach and penetration,they both have their place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    A PW has better reach and penetration,they both have their place.
    ...hence the reason the truck I was talking about will be carrying 3 of each. Different tools in the tool box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Seriously, why are you using PW extinguishers for brush fires? Around here the majority of brush rigs carry Indian Can hand pump water cans that you strap on your back. No need for a compressor, just refill with water and off you go again.
    We have Indian packs (just got some of the "soft" packs).

    Tried foam in them (penetration, etc). Yuck. Never again. You can't pump sudsy water.

    The foam cans come in handy at grass/brush fires from time to time, for the reasons mentioned already.

    Even though they're illegal, we still get burn barrels. A good soaking from a PW with foam in it sure beats stretching 200' of hose - 'cause the burn barrels are almost always waaaay back at the back of the property.
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    Has anyone else run across the worlds biggest PWC??? Here in Maryland, back in the mid 1970s, a VFD had a major mechanical problem with their brush truck during a very busy brush Fire season. Asst. Chief of that VFD was a Plumber, and he quickly converted their 4x4 utility pickup to serve as a brush truck by installing 2 40 gallon Household water storage tanks and the required plumbing to operate it. A single Garden Hose, 80 gallons of Water at a starting pressure of 80psi, and some hand tools made a rig that wasn't too bad to work with....... It was in service for about a month, ran some 25-30 calls, and did quite well, although the ICs were usually careful to assign it to "Mop Up" work...... If I have/can find a photo, I'll post it.......
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    Compressed air brush trucks are actually very common. State conservation here in Missouri uses them. Nashville TN used to have some DC's vehicles - suburbans in fact - equipped with them.

    We refill our cans often at brush fires.

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    Brush trucks in the midwest don't have air brakes. Air bottles make a great way to have an inexpensive way to refill tires, and PW cans.

    Remember folks, you are dealing with departments all over - what works for you may not work for us - and vice versa.

    Going to a gas station.... Thats funny. We have one in our 200 square mile area, and it does not have a compressor. While you may have plenty of places or resources, someone else may not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Brush trucks in the midwest don't have air brakes. Air bottles make a great way to have an inexpensive way to refill tires, and PW cans.

    Remember folks, you are dealing with departments all over - what works for you may not work for us - and vice versa.

    Going to a gas station.... Thats funny. We have one in our 200 square mile area, and it does not have a compressor. While you may have plenty of places or resources, someone else may not.
    Exactly why I suggested if the FD has an air chisel, or air bags, that they make up a hose to use on that regulator for filling PWs.
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