I'm pretty sure I don't want him shooting at anything.
A determined attacker will find a way to do his deed. If that includes taking out the defenses, they'll do it, and probably first.
One thing we lost when this dude offed himself as some semblance of an explanation. We don't know if this was a spur of the moment deal, or if he'd been planning it for a while. And unless someone finds some journals or other documents, we probably never will.
The reality is that this will happen again someplace.... maybe not a school .... within a couple of months. In fact, it already has as there was a shooting incident, with I believe two fatalities, at a hospital in Alabama (I think) just a couple of days after this.
Unless we want to turn every public building, store, theater and workplace into a fortress and somehow magically collect all the guns currently on the street, it's going to happen on a regular basis. Call me a pessimist if you wish, but I fear it's just become the nature of society. Unhappy with your boss .. Shoot up the workplace. Unhappy with your ex-wife ... Shoot her and few friends or co-workers. Unhappy that Burger King didn't give you a big enough slice of tomato on that Whopper .. Shoot em' up. Or just want to have your friends hear your name .... Find some targets, shoot them up and then off yourself.
The sad thing is we as a service needs to accept the fact that there is a much higher likelihood of us having to respond to an incident like this than there was 20 years ago, so be prepared and plan. Your district could be in somebody's cross hairs right now and you may be the the lead story on FoxNews or CNN tomorrow.
So you don't believe that knowing the thoughts of people who commit this would be beneficial in any way? Knowing why they choose to do this would not help in any way to prevent this?
I'm not talking about locks, less windows, stronger doors, etc. I'm talking getting to the real heart of the issue.....the brain.
I truly cannot imagine knowing their thoughts would be useless.
We've learned a lot about PTSD by observation and knowing the surrounding circumstances. This likely wasn't any sort of PTSD, but if there were indicators, it would be handy to be able to correlate them with the end result, thus allowing the possibility of prevention of similar incidents.
As I recall, that evidence existed for the Columbine incident. We've seen numerous incidents where it was known that the assailant had an issue with a co-worker or a significant other. The losses in those incidents are no less painful, but at least we gain a certain solace in knowing that an incident wasn't a random happening - that aside from the possibility of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, we weren't threatened by a random act of violence. Even Timothy McVeigh had a motive.
For all we know, this kid harbored a long and bitter resentment for the school. Or perhaps he felt jealous that the kids there were getting something he was somehow denied. Maybe something just snapped. We just don't know. All we can do is try to piece together the shreds of information into something that makes some sense. And sometimes even those shreds can be hard to find.
For all that - LA's right. It will happen again. The truly scary part is that it may not involve guns. Such terrorists are clever folk.
A better answer would be to have an LEO at schools. This is done in many cities in OC and works quite well.
Perhaps it is time to revisit sensible gun control as was done in Austrailia. Their reforms in the mid-90's have seen dramatic reductions in mass shootings.
Or at the very least consider some of the ideas proposed by Mayor Bloomberg in a recent Op-Ed.
Problem is that each person who com mitts mass murder probably has their own trigger and some very specific personal reasons that lead to these types of events.
Not being a psychologist or not having stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I really can't say for sure. But I will say that unless we are prepared to sink a whole lot more money into mental health .. and I mean A LOT more ... it's very likely that these things will keep happening at their current pace.
These triggers are likely very personal and i doubt they can broadly applied across the board. We already know the general reasons why folks do these things.
We know some things that will work. A cop in every school, but that costs big $$$ when you start looking at the fiscal realities, Better security systems? Ya, maybe, but do we really want to turn every school, theater and any other target that somebody could pick into armed fortresses, and what would the cost be to do that? And as we saw in this case, even what experts call very good security was easily bypassed.
As far as taking away our right to carry, I know as a liberal you probably have little need for that silly document called the Constitution but last I checked that little piece of paper gave us that right. I don't own a gun, but I fully 100% support their right of any competent American to own as many guns as they so choose. You want to take that right away .. You and your buddy and make believe president Obumba just try it and see how far you get down here in these parts.
PS .. Ever notice that you don't see many events like this in states like LA and TX where just about anyone could be packing. Think about it.
Of course, there are lots of experts telling you what the person must have been thinking...even though they never met the person and the person is dead. But hey, why let more knowledge get in the way.
Because very good security is basically reactive and not proactive. Attempting to curtail the event beforehand, POSSIBLY by profiling people, will stop the event from occurring and having the need for "fortresses".Quote:
And as we saw in this case, even what experts call very good security was easily bypassed.
Only the incidents where several are killed seem to make the news. I bet few remember anything about the incident at Chardon High School in Chardon, Ohio just this last February- 3 dead and 3 injured by a 17 YO gunman.
This happens, for various reasons, more than anyone probably wants to admit.
I have a hard time being punished for being a law abiding gun owner, like millions of others, because of the actions of a few, evil people. Who I may add, already broke many laws to perpetuate such horrendous acts.
You honestly think that those that truly want guns wont get them? read:drugs
You honestly think that if some how, a Utopian gun control system in place would prevent senseless slaughter such as this? read:http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
You want to reduce senseless slaughter in this country, how about we ban the automobile. It murders more Americans than guns and knives combined.
Unless you look at at the whole picture and equate number with cause, and cause with action, just picking gun control makes you nothing more than a hypocrite.
As I pointed out to LAFE (rhymes with taffy), the violent crime rate in states that have lax gun laws is higher than those that are more restrictive.
Nor did I say we should do EVERYTHING that was done in Australia. But parts that seemed to have worked should be studied.
All the traffic laws in the world aren't gonna stop drunk driving
All the criminal laws in the world aren't gonna stop crime
All the food sanitation laws in the world aren't gonna stop food poisoning
All the immunization laws in the world aren't gonna stop disease
All the environmental regulations in the world aren't gonna stop pollution
All the abortion laws in the world aren't gonna stop abortions
Should we do away with all the laws pertaining to the types of crimes I listed since they have yet to get rid of all those types of crimes?