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    Default 18 Children Dead in CT Mass Shooting

    Pray for the famalies.

    Absolutly devestating.
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    20 children, 6 adults, and the murdering scum dead at the school. Possibly 1 more adult victim at another location.

    Hold these families of the deceased close in your thoughts and prayers.
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    Please also remember everyone who responded to this. This will haunt them for a very very long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller337 View Post
    Please also remember everyone who responded to this. This will haunt them for a very very long time.
    Too true. Let's hope they get the help they need too.
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    This is not a political statement. I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

    But the sad fact is that for people without means, it is much easier to access firearms than it is the mental health system.

    I hope this changes with the idea that these types of events become fewer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This is not a political statement. I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

    But the sad fact is that for people without means, it is much easier to access firearms than it is the mental health system.

    I hope this changes with the idea that these types of events become fewer.
    The guns were purchased legally by HIS MOTHER, he stole them and used them to commit this horrendous crime.

    Frankly, who says he or his family believed he needed mental health care intervention before this incident?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This is not a political statement. I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

    But the sad fact is that for people without means, it is much easier to access firearms than it is the mental health system.

    I hope this changes with the idea that these types of events become fewer.
    SC, it's being reported that the murderer's dad worked as a VP for GE credit, so the family had means. At this point it's speculation as to what his mental state was specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This is not a political statement. I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

    But the sad fact is that for people without means, it is much easier to access firearms than it is the mental health system.

    I hope this changes with the idea that these types of events become fewer.
    I believe that if responsible people with no criminal or psychological history were allowed to open carry firearms, these types of acts would be few and far between. You never hear of one of these cowards walking bare handed into a crowd and socking people up, they would be beat down on the double quick.
    They always have to have the upper hand. If the odds were even, less people would be killed or injured.

    I know these responders were affected, I hope they get the help they need if they choose to accept it. I was first in on a workplace shooting here last month, it was ugly.
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    Thoughts and prayers for the families, friends, colleagues and emergency responders that were/are involved in this terrible tragedy. We lift-up the town and its members in prayer.

    Tonight the screaming, yelling, messes and day-to-day stuff my kids do don't seem such a big deal..... We tucked them in extra tight, kissed them on the forehead and prayed together as a family. We're using this as a time to reflect and remind us what is truly important and precious to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    SC, it's being reported that the murderer's dad worked as a VP for GE credit, so the family had means. At this point it's speculation as to what his mental state was specifically.
    I would submit his actions are those of someone that is mentally ill.

    I only hope that we as a society can find a way to prevent these types of acts in the future.

    I won't comment on guns or how the gunman came into possession of firearms.
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    My condolences to all those affected by the tragedy. I remember what it was like when I was in elementary school and how simple life was. Kids of that age should not have to worry about some nutcase with a gun going in and shooting everyone.


    This is apparently a note that one of the children who died wrote at the school while the shooting was going on:
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    As a parent, an American, and as a human being, I offer my sincerest condolences to the parents and community of Newtown, CT.

    To the rest of you guys, please don't allow this thread to devolve into a political debate over gun control. I know an incident like this can conjure strong feelings one way or the other. But create a separate thread for that discussion.

    Lastly, I call b.s. on that letter.
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    A national tragedy....thoughts and prayers seem so minuscule seem, so insignificant, but may they build the foundation for healing.

    There is no debate about gun control, the gun is not the issue. It is the very fact that there is pure evil in this world and this individual manifested it into this horrible event.
    In the ashes of this, there is good; the heroism of the average person, when pressed into action is incredible. Enough good cannot be bestowed on these men and woman. If there is hope, there it is.
    On a personal note, we need more good people with guns to confront the evil people with guns.
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    This is why I think that ALL schools should have at least one cop or security guard that is armed. To prevent something like this happening again. Yeah I know you cant put a cop in every school but something needs to change. To many life's are getting took.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zarack808 View Post
    Lastly, I call b.s. on that letter.
    Same here.
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    I think we can all agree the actions of the teachers that day were absolutely heroic and should be commended as such.
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    Agree 100%.


    Maybe it's time that some of the school staff be allowed to carry, Well maybe not carry on their person all of the time. Maybe office personal that has weapons in a lock box, or something of the like.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by L-Webb View Post
    Agree 100%.


    Maybe it's time that some of the school staff be allowed to carry, Well maybe not carry on their person all of the time. Maybe office personal that has weapons in a lock box, or something of the like.

    Thoughts?
    First thought is that would make them the very first targets.
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    we cant get our cops to shoot straight in some of the busiest cities in the country.....why the f*ck would a teacher be able to handle that situation any better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    we cant get our cops to shoot straight in some of the busiest cities in the country.....why the f*ck would a teacher be able to handle that situation any better?

    My wife teaches school and is darn good at it. She's never fired a weapon in her life. Not the route to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    My wife teaches school and is darn good at it. She's never fired a weapon in her life. Not the route to go.
    The "security guard" at the school where my wife teaches has cerebral palsy......

    I'm pretty sure I don't want him shooting at anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    First thought is that would make them the very first targets.
    Which is probably why the "school resource officer" that was on duty at my old high school was dressed like a teacher last time I visited.

    A determined attacker will find a way to do his deed. If that includes taking out the defenses, they'll do it, and probably first.

    One thing we lost when this dude offed himself as some semblance of an explanation. We don't know if this was a spur of the moment deal, or if he'd been planning it for a while. And unless someone finds some journals or other documents, we probably never will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    we cant get our cops to shoot straight in some of the busiest cities in the country.....why the f*ck would a teacher be able to handle that situation any better?
    Because they are there, when something like this goes down a way to resolve it is needed THEN not 5 or 10 minutes from now.

    And no I'm not so sure that what I said is a good idea, Just sorta thought of it so I figured I would put it here and debate it
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    ...One thing we lost when this dude offed himself as some semblance of an explanation. We don't know if this was a spur of the moment deal, or if he'd been planning it for a while. And unless someone finds some journals or other documents, we probably never will.
    True. That knowledge MAY have proven useful in preventing future incidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    True. That knowledge MAY have proven useful in preventing future incidents.
    Doubtful.

    The reality is that this will happen again someplace.... maybe not a school .... within a couple of months. In fact, it already has as there was a shooting incident, with I believe two fatalities, at a hospital in Alabama (I think) just a couple of days after this.

    Unless we want to turn every public building, store, theater and workplace into a fortress and somehow magically collect all the guns currently on the street, it's going to happen on a regular basis. Call me a pessimist if you wish, but I fear it's just become the nature of society. Unhappy with your boss .. Shoot up the workplace. Unhappy with your ex-wife ... Shoot her and few friends or co-workers. Unhappy that Burger King didn't give you a big enough slice of tomato on that Whopper .. Shoot em' up. Or just want to have your friends hear your name .... Find some targets, shoot them up and then off yourself.

    The sad thing is we as a service needs to accept the fact that there is a much higher likelihood of us having to respond to an incident like this than there was 20 years ago, so be prepared and plan. Your district could be in somebody's cross hairs right now and you may be the the lead story on FoxNews or CNN tomorrow.
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