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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    You're an idiot. And you suck at moderating a forum. There was a poster wishing people death, and swearing left and right at other members, but that thread continued on.

    You've been caught by the post count argument. That's the only logical explanation left. Fess up, and get it over with. Then we will all at least have confirmation from YOU as to why your webteam sucks the big D at moderating a forum.
    I emailed them several times asking the same question and NEVER got a reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    I call BS. Maybe LAFE complained, but I can't see a "number" of complaints unless it was 1 or 2 for a number.

    All everyone is asking for is EVEN moderation.
    No, I didn't complain.

    And never have. I can take the shots without running to the webteam like a little girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    The "Pet Peeve" topic was for the most part a good natured exchange of pet peeves. With a few guys chastising one for some LA bashing it got little off track. But "BOOM!" that gets locked down pretty quick.

    On the other hand we can have people in here reeking havoc with personal attacks and the constant use of profanity with repeated reports of that activity go unanswered for days or even weeks at times.

    YES, I understand they own this site. YES, I understand they can do as they please. But being the suspicious guy that I am I can't help but wonder if the post count has more to do with something getting locked down than the activity. These sites run on post count, they sell advertising based on post count, and obviously controversial topics increase post count. I believe sometimes topics only get shut down when enough of the regulars that keep this site alive say ENOUGH ALREADY, shut this down.

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    Yes, we do overlook some of the spam postings and other threads that go off-topic and for that I do apologize. We try to keep the best eye possible and we're always appreciative of those two report issues.

    Several users took the Pet Peeve thread off topic to post about one member, then went completely off topic using some inside jokes. The last page and a half were not of any use to a reader who clicks through the posts to see some great feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by FHEditor View Post
    Several users took the Pet Peeve thread off topic to post about one member
    That happens on almost EVERY thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    Hey! Easy now Reverend, it was just a simple spanking request. Not a naked hookup at Big Gay Al's highway rest stop with a reach around.....
    How much extra do they charge for the reach-around or is it one all-inclusive price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FHEditor View Post
    Yes, we do overlook some of the spam postings and other threads that go off-topic and for that I do apologize. We try to keep the best eye possible and we're always appreciative of those two report issues.

    Several users took the Pet Peeve thread off topic to post about one member, then went completely off topic using some inside jokes. The last page and a half were not of any use to a reader who clicks through the posts to see some great feedback

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    Peter,

    The reason the moderation here is ALWAYS called into question is the blatant and ridiculous inconsistency of how the heavy hand of closing threads and banning members is used.

    It is clear you received mulitple complaints over multiple days about the "I'm getting a pager" topic and the attacks and profanity of Junior22 and KennyTheFireGuy. Yet it went on and on and on for months, from June until November. Well it did give the site an amzing 477 posts before it was finally, mercifully closed. Yet the moderators jumped on the "Pet Peeve" topic and closed it in 5 DAYS! Seriously, some guys are goofing around, having some good natured fun and that topic is closed in 5 days, Junior22 and KennyTheFireGuy, spewed attacks, profanity, and Junior22 at one point wished some of us dead at a fire, and that went on for months.

    Just admit it, your moderators have no clue what actually goes on here, many complaints are ignored, and it is all about post count and revenue from advertising. So many of the great posters that used to be here are gone. The information they passed on is gone. And they have been replaced by trolls and buffoons who are driving the rest of us long time members out. This place is dying and unless you get some moderators that actually pay attention from your side, or appoint some moderators from users, it isn't will this die, it is only a matter of when.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Peter,
    So many of the great posters that used to be here are gone. The information they passed on is gone. And they have been replaced by trolls and buffoons who are driving the rest of us long time members out.
    I don't entirely agree. The biggest irritant to me right now is how threads keep getting derailed by everybody jumping on LaFireEducator. There is no thread that can't devolve into a series of five-paragraph diatribes from both sides of the fence, squeezing every last bit of education, information, and entertainment out of the threads until they all look the same.

    I'll echo what somebody posted earlier. Nobody is going to change LaFireEducator's mind. He's not going to change anyone else's. So why do both sides keep feeding the monster?

    The threads remind me of the barber shop in my hometown when I was a kid. Dad takes his son in, tells the barber to part it on the left, taper the back, and leave a little bit of length. Kid leaves with a flattop. It didn't matter what you told him you wanted. You got a flattop. That's the way it is around here. No matter what the thread is supposed to be about, it ends up being an argument between LaFireEducator and his personal heckling squad.

    Getting sick of it.
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    Peter -

    I'm going to call bull ****. Then please answer me why that you would allow someone to be a forum memeber when they wished death to another firefighter. Yes I am still ****ed about that and even more ****ed that NO ONE replied to several emails from me about why!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm1524 View Post
    Peter -

    I'm going to call bull ****. Then please answer me why that you would allow someone to be a forum memeber when they wished death to another firefighter. Yes I am still ****ed about that and even more ****ed that NO ONE replied to several emails from me about why!
    I was thinking that Kenny got the ax and the thread got shut down. I do agree it took a bit too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    I don't entirely agree. The biggest irritant to me right now is how threads keep getting derailed by everybody jumping on LaFireEducator. There is no thread that can't devolve into a series of five-paragraph diatribes from both sides of the fence, squeezing every last bit of education, information, and entertainment out of the threads until they all look the same.

    I'll echo what somebody posted earlier. Nobody is going to change LaFireEducator's mind. He's not going to change anyone else's. So why do both sides keep feeding the monster?

    The threads remind me of the barber shop in my hometown when I was a kid. Dad takes his son in, tells the barber to part it on the left, taper the back, and leave a little bit of length. Kid leaves with a flattop. It didn't matter what you told him you wanted. You got a flattop. That's the way it is around here. No matter what the thread is supposed to be about, it ends up being an argument between LaFireEducator and his personal heckling squad.

    Getting sick of it.
    Too bad that you are getting sick of it. Perhaps if LA would stay the hell out of topics where we all know what his opinion is and let the rest of us that want to discuss something do it with out his BS the battles wouldn't begin. Maybe if he wasn't such an attention whore he wouldn't over and over and over and over and over make the same comments and ruin topic after topic. I wish he would go away, just as much as I wish those that drag him into topic after topic wouldstop it.

    On the other hand I refuse to allow him to spread what I view as poison to the fire service I have been a member of for over 35 years and that I love. So to me it is a 2 way street, he needs to stop ruining every topic that he disagress with, and others need to stop dragging him into topics. Neither will EVER happen so the crap storm will continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Too bad that you are getting sick of it. Perhaps if LA would stay the hell out of topics where we all know what his opinion is and let the rest of us that want to discuss something do it with out his BS the battles wouldn't begin.

    It's not all him. There have been entire threads started with the express purpose of provoking Bobby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Too bad that you are getting sick of it. Perhaps if LA would stay the hell out of topics where we all know what his opinion is and let the rest of us that want to discuss something do it with out his BS the battles wouldn't begin. Maybe if he wasn't such an attention whore he wouldn't over and over and over and over and over make the same comments and ruin topic after topic. I wish he would go away, just as much as I wish those that drag him into topic after topic wouldstop it.

    On the other hand I refuse to allow him to spread what I view as poison to the fire service I have been a member of for over 35 years and that I love. So to me it is a 2 way street, he needs to stop ruining every topic that he disagress with, and others need to stop dragging him into topics. Neither will EVER happen so the crap storm will continue.
    If you want to make this about me, have at it.

    I'm sorry that you and some of your cronnies see the fire service from one demension and simply refuse to accept the change that needs to occur within it, wether it be the excessive speed that many apapratus still respond at or the unjustifable chances we take during response or the need for unreasonable training standards that will make volunteering nearly impossible for the majority of the talent pool available to us.

    And yes, much like you will continue to fight me I will continue to fight the mindset that somehow we have an obligation to enter abandoned structures in communities with no significant history of occupany, that it's not acceptable for any member to choose not to act at an off-duty or out-of district incident if they do not have tools to do the job or the protections to keep thier famalies financially secure, or that training standards need to be reasonable and community based, not unrealistic, unobtainable for most volunteers and based on a vanillia national standard which may have minimum relevancy in thier local community.

    The fact was that in many cases, my posts have nothing to do with any of the above, but there are 5 or 6 posters that always feel they need to take a pot shot even though it's not relevant to any of my posts in that thread. If you. or they, think that will drive me off, it won't.

    I have no issues with anyone diagreeing with any of my posts when relevant, and am always happy to debate why I feel the way I do. My vision of the fire service is not those who disagree with me. We need to accept that in many places, we simply cannot act in the way we have in the past, either due to funding, manpower, building construction or demographic changes. That may mean more civilian fatalities, which is tragic, but in many ways, unavoidable due the above mentioned changes, and as a service we need to accept that greater risks by firefighters will not change that, but will only result in greater firefighter injries and deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Too bad that you are getting sick of it. Perhaps if LA would stay the hell out of topics where we all know what his opinion is and let the rest of us that want to discuss something do it with out his BS the battles wouldn't begin. Maybe if he wasn't such an attention whore he wouldn't over and over and over and over and over make the same comments and ruin topic after topic. I wish he would go away, just as much as I wish those that drag him into topic after topic wouldstop it.

    On the other hand I refuse to allow him to spread what I view as poison to the fire service I have been a member of for over 35 years and that I love. So to me it is a 2 way street, he needs to stop ruining every topic that he disagress with, and others need to stop dragging him into topics. Neither will EVER happen so the crap storm will continue.
    So are you a self appointed moderator? You don't own the site. You don't control what people say. FH.com does and THEY have no problem with him posting.

    I'll be honest, I pay no attention to the "advertising" on the site. The constant attack...that I notice often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    I was thinking that Kenny got the ax and the thread got shut down. I do agree it took a bit too long.
    Jr22 made the post about wishing someone died. They gave him a timeout and then allowed him to return. I'm sorry he should be banned for life because of that one statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    If you want to make this about me, have at it.

    I'm sorry that you and some of your cronnies see the fire service from one demension and simply refuse to accept the change that needs to occur within it, wether it be the excessive speed that many apapratus still respond at or the unjustifable chances we take during response or the need for unreasonable training standards that will make volunteering nearly impossible for the majority of the talent pool available to us.

    And yes, much like you will continue to fight me I will continue to fight the mindset that somehow we have an obligation to enter abandoned structures in communities with no significant history of occupany, that it's not acceptable for any member to choose not to act at an off-duty or out-of district incident if they do not have tools to do the job or the protections to keep thier famalies financially secure, or that training standards need to be reasonable and community based, not unrealistic, unobtainable for most volunteers and based on a vanillia national standard which may have minimum relevancy in thier local community.

    The fact was that in many cases, my posts have nothing to do with any of the above, but there are 5 or 6 posters that always feel they need to take a pot shot even though it's not relevant to any of my posts in that thread. If you. or they, think that will drive me off, it won't.

    I have no issues with anyone diagreeing with any of my posts when relevant, and am always happy to debate why I feel the way I do. My vision of the fire service is not those who disagree with me. We need to accept that in many places, we simply cannot act in the way we have in the past, either due to funding, manpower, building construction or demographic changes. That may mean more civilian fatalities, which is tragic, but in many ways, unavoidable due the above mentioned changes, and as a service we need to accept that greater risks by firefighters will not change that, but will only result in greater firefighter injries and deaths.
    Given the abysmal grammatical and spelling errors that are a constant in your writing I have a difficult time believing you work in Pub Ed.

    We already know you are not a firefighter.

    So what is it exactly that you do?

    Don't feel sorry for us. We all did/do the job you claim to know but have never done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rm1524 View Post
    Jr22 made the post about wishing someone died. They gave him a timeout and then allowed him to return. I'm sorry he should be banned for life because of that one statement.
    Ah yes. That's how it went. Man, that thread was a mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Given the abysmal grammatical and spelling errors that are a constant in your writing I have a difficult time believing you work in Pub Ed.

    We already know you are not a firefighter.

    So what is it exactly that you do?

    Don't feel sorry for us. We all did/do the job you claim to know but have never done.
    You are right, there were a number of typos in that post. I should have taken a little bit of time and proofread it a bit more carefully.

    I challenge you, again, to prove that I am not or ever have been a firefighter. It is these kind of baseless attacks that drive people away.

    I really don't feel sorry for you. I do, however, feel sorry for the folks that are under you that must be forced to live in the past rather than adjusting to the present and the future. Certainly we want to hold onto the ceremonial traditions of the past, but fireground operations need to be dictated by what is happening now, and what will happen in the future, not what we have done in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Perhaps if LA would stay the hell out of topics.....
    Yep. It is all HIS fault, nyah, nyah, nyah.

    What a bunch of cry babies. No wonder the traffic has died in the forums.

    You don't have to post to every single thread that comes up. Its like you, and a few others, seem to think that no thread can possibly have any valuable information unless you totally agree with it and have awarded it with your presence. Thus, it has to be HIS fault since you are the self appointed expert on every topic and simply cannot be wrong. I have noticed more than one thread die out once you have forced yourself on it.

    Grow up. Take some responsibility for a change. Act like a man instead of a school yard bully.

    Nice little threat to keep the crap storm alive until you get your way. It wouldn't bother me in the least if the web team banned you entirely just for that. You don't like the way they run their site, start your own. Since you believe yourself to be the expert of all experts, I am sure your web site would get millions of hits a month. And that's just between you and three or four others. You could have your very own personal echo chamber where everyone idolizes you. There you could actually "refuse to allow" things. Here all you can do is pound your chest and show the rest of us how juvenile you can be.
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    Geez, I been off line for a few days and come back in and see another thread which is going nowhere, like the Pet Peeve thread, which now is locked.

    It amazes my how quickly the thread can gain posts, over nothing, while we need to concentrate on keeping the jobs in the department now and not losing any more to the bean counters.

    Yep, there will always be yard breathers, but there are also some damn good inside members too, taking the heat and keep on going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    It's not all him. There have been entire threads started with the express purpose of provoking Bobby.
    Did you read what I posted? These two sentences as an example:

    I wish he would go away, just as much as I wish those that drag him into topic after topic would stop it.
    So to me it is a 2 way street, he needs to stop ruining every topic that he disagress with, and others need to stop dragging him into topics.
    So tell me again how I said it was all him, because frankly you couldn't be more wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Did you read what I posted? These two sentences as an example:



    So tell me again how I said it was all him, because frankly you couldn't be more wrong.
    Did YOU read what I posted? I never claimed you said it was all him, because frankly I didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    If you want to make this about me, have at it.

    I'm sorry that you and some of your cronnies see the fire service from one demension and simply refuse to accept the change that needs to occur within it, wether it be the excessive speed that many apapratus still respond at or the unjustifable chances we take during response or the need for unreasonable training standards that will make volunteering nearly impossible for the majority of the talent pool available to us.

    You haven't got one single clue at all about how anyone operates here yet you paint everyone with your judgemental "Safety Sally you guys all have a death wish" broad brush. Not one of my FDs has had a single serious line of duty injury in YEARS. Well, with the exception of EMS with back strains.

    All of the FDs I am on require driver's to take the tech school driver operator course. Does yours? We have SOGs detailing reponse, speeds, intersections, when to run hot. Does yours?

    I have repeatedly discussed new construction and "GO, NO GO" situations with my POC FDs, my Captain at my career FD has done the same. We study "Reading Smoke," how fire attacks structures, different attack strategies and more. We spend many hours on RIT and "Save Yourself" training.

    The truth is just like the rest of the nonsense you spread, including made up indefensible statistics, and so much more, you haven't got one clue about what any other FD does and you don't care because it interferes with your propaganda campaign.


    And yes, much like you will continue to fight me I will continue to fight the mindset that somehow we have an obligation to enter abandoned structures in communities with no significant history of occupany, that it's not acceptable for any member to choose not to act at an off-duty or out-of district incident if they do not have tools to do the job or the protections to keep thier famalies financially secure, or that training standards need to be reasonable and community based, not unrealistic, unobtainable for most volunteers and based on a vanillia national standard which may have minimum relevancy in thier local community.

    And here it is again, when you run out of the ability to defend letting people BURN TO DEATH in cars because you might break a nail, or refusing to enter a burning OCCUPIED home because the building is on fire, you ALWAYS fall back on the abandoned building fallacy. NO ONE BUT YOU MENTIONED ABANDONED BUILDINGS IN THIS TOPIC. We have all grown accustom to your failing to defend your beliefs because you simply can't, and when you get cornered you always pull out the abandoned building nonsense.

    What is most pathetic about your failure to act is that UNTRAINED civilians with courage, humanity, and compassion won't simply watch or drive by as their fellow man BURNS TO DEATH. They will try to save them, they may fail, and they may get injured in the attempt, but they are not empty shells pretending to be either human or a firefighter, they are just people who now what is right.

    No standards means you can continue to be all inclusive. You know the 400 pound fat guy that is a heart attack in the making, the guy who wants to be a firefighter but won't go near fire, the guy who can't climb 4 feet up a ladder, the guy who only wants to drive...Your idea of what a firefighter is is a complete joke.


    The fact was that in many cases, my posts have nothing to do with any of the above, but there are 5 or 6 posters that always feel they need to take a pot shot even though it's not relevant to any of my posts in that thread. If you. or they, think that will drive me off, it won't.

    The facts are you behave like a troll on so many occasions that you have made yourself irrelevant in 99 44/100's of all the posts you make. I despise those that purposely bait you to drag you into topics as much as I despise your BS.

    Nothing will drive you off, you are a masochistic narcissist. Any attention is better than none for you, even negative.


    I have no issues with anyone diagreeing with any of my posts when relevant, and am always happy to debate why I feel the way I do. My vision of the fire service is not those who disagree with me. We need to accept that in many places, we simply cannot act in the way we have in the past, either due to funding, manpower, building construction or demographic changes. That may mean more civilian fatalities, which is tragic, but in many ways, unavoidable due the above mentioned changes, and as a service we need to accept that greater risks by firefighters will not change that, but will only result in greater firefighter injries and deaths.

    First of all, you drift more topics off topic with your idiotic ramblings over and over about abandoned buildings. Secondly, if you have not at a local board meeting expressed to the local board and citizens in attendance that you will not do interior attacks or rescue attempts then you are BALD FACED LYING t your community. Whether you believe they know it or not, if you haven't outright said it, the expectation is you WILL go inside to fight fire and save lives.
    I actually pity you, I really do. You are so out of touch with reality and so desperate for attention that you continue a crusade that virtually no one here supports. Sad, pathetic, and ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    So are you a self appointed moderator? You don't own the site. You don't control what people say. FH.com does and THEY have no problem with him posting.

    I'll be honest, I pay no attention to the "advertising" on the site. The constant attack...that I notice often.
    So who are you? My mom? If not, then why are you lecturing me? I wasn't addressing you.
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