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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    I was thinking that Kenny got the ax and the thread got shut down. I do agree it took a bit too long.
    Jr22 made the post about wishing someone died. They gave him a timeout and then allowed him to return. I'm sorry he should be banned for life because of that one statement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    If you want to make this about me, have at it.

    I'm sorry that you and some of your cronnies see the fire service from one demension and simply refuse to accept the change that needs to occur within it, wether it be the excessive speed that many apapratus still respond at or the unjustifable chances we take during response or the need for unreasonable training standards that will make volunteering nearly impossible for the majority of the talent pool available to us.

    And yes, much like you will continue to fight me I will continue to fight the mindset that somehow we have an obligation to enter abandoned structures in communities with no significant history of occupany, that it's not acceptable for any member to choose not to act at an off-duty or out-of district incident if they do not have tools to do the job or the protections to keep thier famalies financially secure, or that training standards need to be reasonable and community based, not unrealistic, unobtainable for most volunteers and based on a vanillia national standard which may have minimum relevancy in thier local community.

    The fact was that in many cases, my posts have nothing to do with any of the above, but there are 5 or 6 posters that always feel they need to take a pot shot even though it's not relevant to any of my posts in that thread. If you. or they, think that will drive me off, it won't.

    I have no issues with anyone diagreeing with any of my posts when relevant, and am always happy to debate why I feel the way I do. My vision of the fire service is not those who disagree with me. We need to accept that in many places, we simply cannot act in the way we have in the past, either due to funding, manpower, building construction or demographic changes. That may mean more civilian fatalities, which is tragic, but in many ways, unavoidable due the above mentioned changes, and as a service we need to accept that greater risks by firefighters will not change that, but will only result in greater firefighter injries and deaths.
    Given the abysmal grammatical and spelling errors that are a constant in your writing I have a difficult time believing you work in Pub Ed.

    We already know you are not a firefighter.

    So what is it exactly that you do?

    Don't feel sorry for us. We all did/do the job you claim to know but have never done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rm1524 View Post
    Jr22 made the post about wishing someone died. They gave him a timeout and then allowed him to return. I'm sorry he should be banned for life because of that one statement.
    Ah yes. That's how it went. Man, that thread was a mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Given the abysmal grammatical and spelling errors that are a constant in your writing I have a difficult time believing you work in Pub Ed.

    We already know you are not a firefighter.

    So what is it exactly that you do?

    Don't feel sorry for us. We all did/do the job you claim to know but have never done.
    You are right, there were a number of typos in that post. I should have taken a little bit of time and proofread it a bit more carefully.

    I challenge you, again, to prove that I am not or ever have been a firefighter. It is these kind of baseless attacks that drive people away.

    I really don't feel sorry for you. I do, however, feel sorry for the folks that are under you that must be forced to live in the past rather than adjusting to the present and the future. Certainly we want to hold onto the ceremonial traditions of the past, but fireground operations need to be dictated by what is happening now, and what will happen in the future, not what we have done in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Perhaps if LA would stay the hell out of topics.....
    Yep. It is all HIS fault, nyah, nyah, nyah.

    What a bunch of cry babies. No wonder the traffic has died in the forums.

    You don't have to post to every single thread that comes up. Its like you, and a few others, seem to think that no thread can possibly have any valuable information unless you totally agree with it and have awarded it with your presence. Thus, it has to be HIS fault since you are the self appointed expert on every topic and simply cannot be wrong. I have noticed more than one thread die out once you have forced yourself on it.

    Grow up. Take some responsibility for a change. Act like a man instead of a school yard bully.

    Nice little threat to keep the crap storm alive until you get your way. It wouldn't bother me in the least if the web team banned you entirely just for that. You don't like the way they run their site, start your own. Since you believe yourself to be the expert of all experts, I am sure your web site would get millions of hits a month. And that's just between you and three or four others. You could have your very own personal echo chamber where everyone idolizes you. There you could actually "refuse to allow" things. Here all you can do is pound your chest and show the rest of us how juvenile you can be.
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    Geez, I been off line for a few days and come back in and see another thread which is going nowhere, like the Pet Peeve thread, which now is locked.

    It amazes my how quickly the thread can gain posts, over nothing, while we need to concentrate on keeping the jobs in the department now and not losing any more to the bean counters.

    Yep, there will always be yard breathers, but there are also some damn good inside members too, taking the heat and keep on going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    It's not all him. There have been entire threads started with the express purpose of provoking Bobby.
    Did you read what I posted? These two sentences as an example:

    I wish he would go away, just as much as I wish those that drag him into topic after topic would stop it.
    So to me it is a 2 way street, he needs to stop ruining every topic that he disagress with, and others need to stop dragging him into topics.
    So tell me again how I said it was all him, because frankly you couldn't be more wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Did you read what I posted? These two sentences as an example:



    So tell me again how I said it was all him, because frankly you couldn't be more wrong.
    Did YOU read what I posted? I never claimed you said it was all him, because frankly I didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    If you want to make this about me, have at it.

    I'm sorry that you and some of your cronnies see the fire service from one demension and simply refuse to accept the change that needs to occur within it, wether it be the excessive speed that many apapratus still respond at or the unjustifable chances we take during response or the need for unreasonable training standards that will make volunteering nearly impossible for the majority of the talent pool available to us.

    You haven't got one single clue at all about how anyone operates here yet you paint everyone with your judgemental "Safety Sally you guys all have a death wish" broad brush. Not one of my FDs has had a single serious line of duty injury in YEARS. Well, with the exception of EMS with back strains.

    All of the FDs I am on require driver's to take the tech school driver operator course. Does yours? We have SOGs detailing reponse, speeds, intersections, when to run hot. Does yours?

    I have repeatedly discussed new construction and "GO, NO GO" situations with my POC FDs, my Captain at my career FD has done the same. We study "Reading Smoke," how fire attacks structures, different attack strategies and more. We spend many hours on RIT and "Save Yourself" training.

    The truth is just like the rest of the nonsense you spread, including made up indefensible statistics, and so much more, you haven't got one clue about what any other FD does and you don't care because it interferes with your propaganda campaign.


    And yes, much like you will continue to fight me I will continue to fight the mindset that somehow we have an obligation to enter abandoned structures in communities with no significant history of occupany, that it's not acceptable for any member to choose not to act at an off-duty or out-of district incident if they do not have tools to do the job or the protections to keep thier famalies financially secure, or that training standards need to be reasonable and community based, not unrealistic, unobtainable for most volunteers and based on a vanillia national standard which may have minimum relevancy in thier local community.

    And here it is again, when you run out of the ability to defend letting people BURN TO DEATH in cars because you might break a nail, or refusing to enter a burning OCCUPIED home because the building is on fire, you ALWAYS fall back on the abandoned building fallacy. NO ONE BUT YOU MENTIONED ABANDONED BUILDINGS IN THIS TOPIC. We have all grown accustom to your failing to defend your beliefs because you simply can't, and when you get cornered you always pull out the abandoned building nonsense.

    What is most pathetic about your failure to act is that UNTRAINED civilians with courage, humanity, and compassion won't simply watch or drive by as their fellow man BURNS TO DEATH. They will try to save them, they may fail, and they may get injured in the attempt, but they are not empty shells pretending to be either human or a firefighter, they are just people who now what is right.

    No standards means you can continue to be all inclusive. You know the 400 pound fat guy that is a heart attack in the making, the guy who wants to be a firefighter but won't go near fire, the guy who can't climb 4 feet up a ladder, the guy who only wants to drive...Your idea of what a firefighter is is a complete joke.


    The fact was that in many cases, my posts have nothing to do with any of the above, but there are 5 or 6 posters that always feel they need to take a pot shot even though it's not relevant to any of my posts in that thread. If you. or they, think that will drive me off, it won't.

    The facts are you behave like a troll on so many occasions that you have made yourself irrelevant in 99 44/100's of all the posts you make. I despise those that purposely bait you to drag you into topics as much as I despise your BS.

    Nothing will drive you off, you are a masochistic narcissist. Any attention is better than none for you, even negative.


    I have no issues with anyone diagreeing with any of my posts when relevant, and am always happy to debate why I feel the way I do. My vision of the fire service is not those who disagree with me. We need to accept that in many places, we simply cannot act in the way we have in the past, either due to funding, manpower, building construction or demographic changes. That may mean more civilian fatalities, which is tragic, but in many ways, unavoidable due the above mentioned changes, and as a service we need to accept that greater risks by firefighters will not change that, but will only result in greater firefighter injries and deaths.

    First of all, you drift more topics off topic with your idiotic ramblings over and over about abandoned buildings. Secondly, if you have not at a local board meeting expressed to the local board and citizens in attendance that you will not do interior attacks or rescue attempts then you are BALD FACED LYING t your community. Whether you believe they know it or not, if you haven't outright said it, the expectation is you WILL go inside to fight fire and save lives.
    I actually pity you, I really do. You are so out of touch with reality and so desperate for attention that you continue a crusade that virtually no one here supports. Sad, pathetic, and ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    So are you a self appointed moderator? You don't own the site. You don't control what people say. FH.com does and THEY have no problem with him posting.

    I'll be honest, I pay no attention to the "advertising" on the site. The constant attack...that I notice often.
    So who are you? My mom? If not, then why are you lecturing me? I wasn't addressing you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firepundit View Post
    Yep. It is all HIS fault, nyah, nyah, nyah.

    Read what I said before posting nonsense and sounding like an a s s.

    What a bunch of cry babies. No wonder the traffic has died in the forums.

    Yepper it is no wonder. The same crap over and over...Golly how many times will he post the abandoned building line when it is totally irrelevant to the topic at hand?

    You don't have to post to every single thread that comes up. Its like you, and a few others, seem to think that no thread can possibly have any valuable information unless you totally agree with it and have awarded it with your presence. Thus, it has to be HIS fault since you are the self appointed expert on every topic and simply cannot be wrong. I have noticed more than one thread die out once you have forced yourself on it.

    Not true, I have had some interesting debates with people here. They have infuenced me, and I have influenced them at times. So nice try, but maybe you should pay more attention.

    Grow up. Take some responsibility for a change. Act like a man instead of a school yard bully.

    Yes mom!

    Nice little threat to keep the crap storm alive until you get your way. It wouldn't bother me in the least if the web team banned you entirely just for that. You don't like the way they run their site, start your own. Since you believe yourself to be the expert of all experts, I am sure your web site would get millions of hits a month. And that's just between you and three or four others. You could have your very own personal echo chamber where everyone idolizes you. There you could actually "refuse to allow" things. Here all you can do is pound your chest and show the rest of us how juvenile you can be.

    You can't possibly be as ignorant as you are sounding here. Or maybe you really are.
    Here's some advice...If you don't like my posts put me on ignore. Otherwise keep whining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    Did YOU read what I posted? I never claimed you said it was all him, because frankly I didn't.
    Well you did post it to me now didn't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firepundit View Post
    Since you believe yourself to be the expert of all experts...
    If the opportunity were to present itself, which one would you rather have as your backup? That's an easy one for me. I generally try to stay away from LA's antics, but when he put my Union on blast, I got involved. That's not to say I agree with his posts. He has his beliefs, they are just not in alignment with the majority of the business. Where he thinks he's being progressive, he's willing to employ those tactics at the expense of the public's lives. That should throw a red flag up in your world too bro.

    I'll admit, I goof on this site more than contribute to it, but that is either because the topic does not interchange with my departments policies and procedures, or because someone like Fyred or yourself has thoroughly covered it.
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    Originally Posted by LaFireEducator

    If you want to make this about me, have at it.

    I'm sorry that you and some of your cronnies see the fire service from one demension and simply refuse to accept the change that needs to occur within it, wether it be the excessive speed that many apapratus still respond at or the unjustifable chances we take during response or the need for unreasonable training standards that will make volunteering nearly impossible for the majority of the talent pool available to us.

    You haven't got one single clue at all about how anyone operates here yet you paint everyone with your judgemental "Safety Sally you guys all have a death wish" broad brush. Not one of my FDs has had a single serious line of duty injury in YEARS. Well, with the exception of EMS with back strains.

    All of the FDs I am on require driver's to take the tech school driver operator course. Does yours? We have SOGs detailing reponse, speeds, intersections, when to run hot. Does yours?

    I have repeatedly discussed new construction and "GO, NO GO" situations with my POC FDs, my Captain at my career FD has done the same. We study "Reading Smoke," how fire attacks structures, different attack strategies and more. We spend many hours on RIT and "Save Yourself" training.

    The truth is just like the rest of the nonsense you spread, including made up indefensible statistics, and so much more, you haven't got one clue about what any other FD does and you don't care because it interferes with your propaganda campaign.


    The fact is that we are killing and injuring far too many firefighters inside the structure. That's not anything that I am making up but it's simple statistics. Flashovers. Interior structural and ceiling collapses. Floor collapses. You can read about it everday. Members that are operating in structures that are no longer viable. Members operating in structures with no value. Members that are operating in structures with heavy smoke and fire conditions that rapidly accelerate, and the accelration was predictable. Members operating with interior inadequate resources rather than simply accepting that we don't have the resources so safely fight it and simply operate defensive because "we are the fire department".

    Deny it if you wish. That's fine. But the numbers and the headlines on FH, Fire Engineeering and any other fire service websites don't lie.

    It's the same thing with apparatus accidents. Speed. Intersection Management. Lack of training. Again, the stats and the headlines don't lie. We still, as a service, respond far to fast to incidents that the vast majority of the time aren't, and never will be actual emergenicies.

    Maybe your department trains. Maybe your department requires certifications. Funny, both of my departments have minimum training standards and encourages certifications as well.


    And yes, much like you will continue to fight me I will continue to fight the mindset that somehow we have an obligation to enter abandoned structures in communities with no significant history of occupany, that it's not acceptable for any member to choose not to act at an off-duty or out-of district incident if they do not have tools to do the job or the protections to keep thier famalies financially secure, or that training standards need to be reasonable and community based, not unrealistic, unobtainable for most volunteers and based on a vanillia national standard which may have minimum relevancy in thier local community.

    And here it is again, when you run out of the ability to defend letting people BURN TO DEATH in cars because you might break a nail, or refusing to enter a burning OCCUPIED home because the building is on fire, you ALWAYS fall back on the abandoned building fallacy. NO ONE BUT YOU MENTIONED ABANDONED BUILDINGS IN THIS TOPIC. We have all grown accustom to your failing to defend your beliefs because you simply can't, and when you get cornered you always pull out the abandoned building nonsense.


    More than one time we have discussed that, and more than one time there have been members here that insist over and over that "it's not empty until we say it's empty". I'm very sorry but that line of thinking is killing and injuring members needlessly. In my communities, if it's abandoned, it's empty, and I don't need somebeody from outside of my two departments telling me that we need to operate interior and search it to verify that.

    Maybe you have that problem where you are, and if you can justify that and be able to sell it to a widow of a deceased member or the wife of a firefighter in a burn ward, great, and have at it. but in my mind i sure can't and never will be able to justify the thought that I sent a member into a abandoned structure that likely is empty. People make choices, and sorry, if somebody chooses to live or more than likely, partake in illegal activities in that structure I will not allow one or more of my members to die or be seriously injured because of the poor choices they have made in life.

    As far as of duty and out of district, our members also have the right not to intervene. We are not always firefighters. Without PPE, communications, tools, apparatus and medical and wage protection we are civilians, and as such, we have the right to act in the best interests of those to whom we are most responsible - our famalies. If you disagree with that, fine, but I sincerly hope that if you take action in that situation one day, it does not destroy your life financially, physically or emotionally. All rookie members need to hear that message. Think before you act and remember .. ALWAYS REMEMBER .. you and your family are the priority.



    What is most pathetic about your failure to act is that UNTRAINED civilians with courage, humanity, and compassion won't simply watch or drive by as their fellow man BURNS TO DEATH. They will try to save them, they may fail, and they may get injured in the attempt, but they are not empty shells pretending to be either human or a firefighter, they are just people who now what is right.

    And that is thier choice just like it ios the choice ... yes, choice ... of any firefighter - career or volunteer - to act when off duty or out of district.

    No standards means you can continue to be all inclusive. You know the 400 pound fat guy that is a heart attack in the making, the guy who wants to be a firefighter but won't go near fire, the guy who can't climb 4 feet up a ladder, the guy who only wants to drive...Your idea of what a firefighter is is a complete joke.

    My idea of what a firefighter is understands that there are communities that simply cannot and will never be able to staff a department of 3o fit young members fully capable of performing every aspect of the job. That is the reality in rural America.

    I understand that members who can only drive, or wish to operate exterior have the same value as an interior member, and can be just as valauable when operating as part of a firefighting team.

    Again, if there were no such members most of the rural departments, both here in LA as well as in my previous location, VT, would simply not be able to operate on the fireground.

    To paint what a "firefighter should be" across America based on your small piece of the pie is unrealsitic. It's simply not the case in many places. A firefighter is anyone who operates on the fireground, even in limited capicities. If you want to have your purist view, great, but in many, many places the only way they will ever be able to operate is to be inclusive.



    The fact was that in many cases, my posts have nothing to do with any of the above, but there are 5 or 6 posters that always feel they need to take a pot shot even though it's not relevant to any of my posts in that thread. If you. or they, think that will drive me off, it won't.

    The facts are you behave like a troll on so many occasions that you have made yourself irrelevant in 99 44/100's of all the posts you make. I despise those that purposely bait you to drag you into topics as much as I despise your BS.

    Yup, that's me.

    Nothing will drive you off, you are a masochistic narcissist. Any attention is better than none for you, even negative.

    I have no issues with anyone diagreeing with any of my posts when relevant, and am always happy to debate why I feel the way I do. My vision of the fire service is not those who disagree with me. We need to accept that in many places, we simply cannot act in the way we have in the past, either due to funding, manpower, building construction or demographic changes. That may mean more civilian fatalities, which is tragic, but in many ways, unavoidable due the above mentioned changes, and as a service we need to accept that greater risks by firefighters will not change that, but will only result in greater firefighter injries and deaths.

    First of all, you drift more topics off topic with your idiotic ramblings over and over about abandoned buildings. Secondly, if you have not at a local board meeting expressed to the local board and citizens in attendance that you will not do interior attacks or rescue attempts then you are BALD FACED LYING t your community. Whether you believe they know it or not, if you haven't outright said it, the expectation is you WILL go inside to fight fire and save lives.

    Disagreed. But being such an expert in this locale, it's amazing that you can't prove that.

    I actually pity you, I really do. You are so out of touch with reality and so desperate for attention that you continue a crusade that virtually no one here supports. Sad, pathetic, and ridiculous.

    Funny, based on the PMs I recieve with folks who are for some unknown reason too scared to agree with me on the forums, I have to disagree.

    You are wrong far more than you think.
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    Nice post LA, what was the point of just quoting the post and then not even doing that right?
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    With regard to LaFE, I'm reminded of the old saw, "If a husband says something and his wife doesn't hear him, is he still wrong?" (Or something like that).

    I swear, there are people here who would call LA to task for stating the sky was blue or fire trucks are red - mostly because it was cloudy where they were at the time or their trucks are {name your color}. Or because they didn't think he really knew what the colors blue or red were.

    We've got, at best, a few dozen regular posters here - most of whom think they've got the handle on how the fire service should be run. And just like Dave Statter's KICs, they rarely have the whole picture.

    Like LA or not, if you disagree with something he says in a given thread, go ahead and say so - and why. We're here to learn (or at least most of us are) But don't dredge up irrelevant statements from ages ago - searching abandoned buildings has nothing to do with the color of bunker gear. If you have nothing to add, don't.
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    Uh, right here is what I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    I don't entirely agree. The biggest irritant to me right now is how threads keep getting derailed by everybody jumping on LaFireEducator. There is no thread that can't devolve into a series of five-paragraph diatribes from both sides of the fence, squeezing every last bit of education, information, and entertainment out of the threads until they all look the same.

    I'll echo what somebody posted earlier. Nobody is going to change LaFireEducator's mind. He's not going to change anyone else's. So why do both sides keep feeding the monster?

    The threads remind me of the barber shop in my hometown when I was a kid. Dad takes his son in, tells the barber to part it on the left, taper the back, and leave a little bit of length. Kid leaves with a flattop. It didn't matter what you told him you wanted. You got a flattop. That's the way it is around here. No matter what the thread is supposed to be about, it ends up being an argument between LaFireEducator and his personal heckling squad.

    Getting sick of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    I don't entirely agree. The biggest irritant to me right now is how threads keep getting derailed by everybody jumping on LaFireEducator. There is no thread that can't devolve into a series of five-paragraph diatribes from both sides of the fence, squeezing every last bit of education, information, and entertainment out of the threads until they all look the same.

    I'll echo what somebody posted earlier. Nobody is going to change LaFireEducator's mind. He's not going to change anyone else's. So why do both sides keep feeding the monster?

    The threads remind me of the barber shop in my hometown when I was a kid. Dad takes his son in, tells the barber to part it on the left, taper the back, and leave a little bit of length. Kid leaves with a flattop. It didn't matter what you told him you wanted. You got a flattop. That's the way it is around here. No matter what the thread is supposed to be about, it ends up being an argument between LaFireEducator and his personal heckling squad.

    Getting sick of it.
    Me too K-Fried. This is just nuts, it really don't matter where LAFE posts or about what someone has to start in on him. LAFE's M.O. is contraversial at best but this constant deluge gets depressing and tiresome.
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    Here is my solution to the problem. I've just created a forum for us. It's a free forum, and it will take me a day to get the basics up and running good enough for everyone to use but I'll release the link tomorrow. It will have the same feel as this, except no bull****. We will all be able to enjoy a good conversation and debate about things. I'm also looking for good people to be staff members. If you are interested send me a private message on here.



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    Actually I decided to just give you guys the link now. Please understand I'm still working on adding things and graphics for the site to be patient. Overall the forum sections are there, sign up, and start posting and have fun.

    http://w11.zetaboards.com/Fire_Service_Forum/index/
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You are right, there were a number of typos in that post. I should have taken a little bit of time and proofread it a bit more carefully.
    This a laughable statement. If this were a unique situation I might cut you some slack. It isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I challenge you, again, to prove that I am not or ever have been a firefighter. It is these kind of baseless attacks that drive people away.
    Your own statements prove my point. Denying the truth over and over doesn't make your position more valid. Just realize that your beliefs are indicative of a poser that subscribes to **** poor response due to being in an environment that allows **** poor behavior and attitudes like yours to prosper. It may not be your fault. It may be the locale that sponsors you is propagated by similar thinking individuals.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I really don't feel sorry for you. I do, however, feel sorry for the folks that are under you that must be forced to live in the past rather than adjusting to the present and the future. Certainly we want to hold onto the ceremonial traditions of the past, but fireground operations need to be dictated by what is happening now, and what will happen in the future, not what we have done in the past.
    Ha ha ha. Like I would care about your feelings. The folks I worked with had no problem doing their jobs as firefighters. The traditions of attempting rescues on or off duty were not considered ceremonial to us. Rather we viewed those opportunities as obligations. Your diatribes about safety are nothing more than the poser who has the uniform of wanting all the glory of being a firefighter but none of the actual responsibility.

    If all you wanted was the uniform you could have found one at Galls.
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