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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Funny thing is that it doesn't bother me in the least as that is what we are.
    Of course it doesn't bother you. While you claim to be a firefighter, it is obvious you've never been one. Your ecstatic that people see you in uniform and call you something you are not.
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    Has nothing to do with sounding cool. But I guess if that makes your ego all warm and fuzzy, rock on with your bad self.
    I can only speak for my views here in St. Paul, and since we have only been in service since about 1856, your situation may be different.
    Here we started out as just that, St. Paul Fire Department. As times changed and with some foresight, we added skills, integrated ALS level EMS, all the special rescue disciplines, Haz-Mat, and yet in all that time, the core mission has been fire suppression. So when a citizen calls 911, that's what they get, a firefighter from the fire department. They maybe a firefighter/EMT or firefighter/paramedic, some are haz-mat specialists, many are tech rescue trained. Not a janitor or a cook, but a firefighter that has been trained and skilled in all the tasks that a modern department has been tasked to incorporate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Of course it doesn't bother you. While you claim to be a firefighter, it is obvious you've never been one. Your ecstatic that people see you in uniform and call you something you are not.
    Come on scfire, can you please put it away for the Holidays? Even in WW1 and WW2 they had truces for the Holidays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    And yes, there have been deaths of medics. From everything to GSWs to aircraft crashes.
    The statement I was responding to was "we all have the same risk." I said I didn't think MY department had any duty deaths for single role medics, but hundreds for firefighters. Does that sound like "equal" risk to you? We also have more deaths and injuries than the police, even though we are a third of their size. Perhaps things are radically different where you are from, but I don't believe there is equal risk. I was only speaking of the department I know, not vague generalities.
    Just a typical moronic, childish, idiotic munchkin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Come on scfire, can you please put it away for the Holidays? Even in WW1 and WW2 they had truces for the Holidays.
    That's why I waited till the day after Christmas (not Xmas).
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    you can put me in the category of not giving a damn. After the last 3 years of listening to the republican and tea parties telling me what a union thug mooch I am, I'm ok with whatever. We show up, do our job, and move on to the next run. Public titles of our profession no longer mean anything to me.

    Personally, I took this job to help people, not to gain a title and a badge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whocares View Post
    The statement I was responding to was "we all have the same risk." I said I didn't think MY department had any duty deaths for single role medics, but hundreds for firefighters. Does that sound like "equal" risk to you? We also have more deaths and injuries than the police, even though we are a third of their size. Perhaps things are radically different where you are from, but I don't believe there is equal risk. I was only speaking of the department I know, not vague generalities.
    Your department has had hundreds of LODD's? I'm not anyone but the FDNY can claim that, even minus those lost on 9-11 (which thankfully is not a normal LODD incident).

    BTW in addition to the 344 firefighters (the NY Fire Patrol firefighter is not included in the 343 FDNY losses), 24 police officers, 37 Port Authority workers and 43 EMS workers were killed when the towers came down.

    So not the same risk as they lost about 10% vs fire, but they were helping at a fire incident and clearly shared some risk.
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    My questions are do first responders respond in fire trucks or first responder vechicles and keep them in fire stations or first responder stations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sklump View Post
    My questions are do first responders respond in fire trucks or first responder vechicles and keep them in fire stations or first responder stations?
    I think you don't understand what we're discussing. We aren't talking about personnel responding to EMS calls ahead of the ambulance. We're discussing the use of the term "first responder" (primarily by the media) as a catchall term for the personnel of the agencies that are the first to respond to an emergency rather than referring to them more individually as "firefighters", "EMS", "PD" or other common terms used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    I think you don't understand what we're discussing. We aren't talking about personnel responding to EMS calls ahead of the ambulance. We're discussing the use of the term "first responder" (primarily by the media) as a catchall term for the personnel of the agencies that are the first to respond to an emergency rather than referring to them more individually as "firefighters", "EMS", "PD" or other common terms used.
    To quote Charlie Brown, in a "Charlie Brown Christmas, in your response to sklump: "Don't you know a sarcasm when you hear one?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Here and there View Post
    Your department has had hundreds of LODD's? I'm not anyone but the FDNY can claim that...
    Well, I'm claiming it...
    Just a typical moronic, childish, idiotic munchkin.

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    Put my vote down for calling us firefighter/police/EMS and not first responder. It's just not accurate when you look at the various job functions we do separately. Here's an excerpt from a letter to the editor in our local paper where a guy referred to the police as first responders:

    ".... the gunman as she cradled him in her arms. Before the first responders could stop him, the gunman had killed 23 and wounded 27."

    So is this first responders on the fire truck? Ambulance? Garbage truck? Red Cross? Nope.. it's the police he refers to.

    For me, it's not really about a title or a badge. It's just about being accurate and not lazy. It's about giving credit where it's rightfully due.

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    I hate being called a first responder oh its ok for general terms when lumping all togather I guess . I hate being called "rescue" whatever that is even more. But then I believe in and support tradition in the FD.

    Perhaps thats because my dept has so much of it,first engine purchesed in 1,818,first chief in 1,826, yes the horses are gone, but oats still fall from some cracks in ceilings...... thats as much change as I can take.

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    How bout 'fire buffs" some of them beat the FD in. Call them first responders ?
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    It all comes down to education. A call to your local media by your PIO (who hopefully isn't using the term either) might be useful. and you can't just talk to the reporters - you have to get to the folks who do the rewrites, management, etc. You need to get your police, fire, and EMS PIOs together on this, too.

    And if something happens locally, it won't matter what your local news sources do - the national people will take it any way they want.

    Keep in mind, too, that people these days think in 140 character "bites" anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremedicMike View Post
    you can put me in the category of not giving a damn. After the last 3 years of listening to the republican and tea parties telling me what a union thug mooch I am, I'm ok with whatever. We show up, do our job, and move on to the next run. Public titles of our profession no longer mean anything to me.

    Personally, I took this job to help people, not to gain a title and a badge.
    I agree with all this

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremedicMike View Post
    you can put me in the category of not giving a damn. After the last 3 years of listening to the republican and tea parties telling me what a union thug mooch I am, I'm ok with whatever. We show up, do our job, and move on to the next run. Public titles of our profession no longer mean anything to me.

    Personally, I took this job to help people, not to gain a title and a badge.
    I'm retired. But I agree with you. The Tea Party and the GOP in CA hammer firefighters, police officers, and teachers daily with the terms you used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    How bout 'fire buffs" some of them beat the FD in. Call them first responders ?
    We call them Police.
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    Just saw a news story that referred to "emergency responders."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    We call them Police.
    You just had to go there!

    I've educated my guys on how not to get in the way, well at least most of the time.
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