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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    NFPA standards and a controlled environment. That should be obvious.
    Go back and re-read the description I gave of our program, including the one or two amended/added posts and please tell me what is not controlled about our program?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Go back and re-read the description I gave of our program, including the one or two amended/added posts and please tell me what is not controlled about our program?
    My original post was actually directed more at the OP, but I still am a firm believer that minors should never be allowed on emergency scenes. Lot's of guys get hurt and killed just from idiots driving too fast through a scene. Not to mention liability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    My original post was actually directed more at the OP, but I still am a firm believer that minors should never be allowed on emergency scenes. Lot's of guys get hurt and killed just from idiots driving too fast through a scene. Not to mention liability.
    Ok, whats the difference between a 17-year old and a 36 year old on the scene that gets hit by an idiot driving a car too fast through a scene? As stated, our members (including Juniors) are fully covered by our liability carrier for injuries. Additionally they are also covered (again by Pa Law) for workmans compensation.
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    our juniors are not allowed out of the trucks on state roads, like interstates, anything with a number basically...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Ok, whats the difference between a 17-year old and a 36 year old on the scene that gets hit by an idiot driving a car too fast through a scene?
    If it ever happens, the lawyers will give you a complete report on what the difference is. Briefly, if you are supervising a minor child who gets hurt, you are responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    But seriously though, as someone who saw numerous dead/ maimed bodies in combat at the ripe age of 19..we were engaged by an RPG Team" one night on patrol, we engaged and destroyed 2 military aged males which turned out to be 14-16..

    It is your chief's duty to ensure the physical AND mental well being of his men.. It's part of being a leader.. Well a good 1 anyway.
    It's 2013.. PTSD is for real... CISM is widely available... If your trash box chief doesn't believe in it then maybe someone needs to contact the mayor/council as to what he is all about..
    Number one, thank you for your service. I appreciate the lifelong sacrifice you have made for our country.

    Number two, excellent post. Your perspective reinforces the point that CISD etc. are appropriate for ANYone, and that those who would interfere with the proper care of our personnel need to change their ways or go to the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Ok, whats the difference between a 17-year old and a 36 year old on the scene that gets hit by an idiot driving a car too fast through a scene? As stated, our members (including Juniors) are fully covered by our liability carrier for injuries. Additionally they are also covered (again by Pa Law) for workmans compensation.
    Experience, training, and maturity

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Experience, training, and maturity
    Not in every situation, if that 36 year old is a high school drop out and can barely form coherent sentences.

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