Vector the line

[MichaelXYZ]

I was taught how to unjam tandem prusiks on the belay line. One of the methods was called vector the line. We only covered it briefly so I am not sure I remember how. I put this image together in what I think how it is done. My thinking is you pull the load part of the line to get the load off the prusiks. Is my drawing correct? The other way was using a 3:1 pulley but I am still trying to recall.

Thanks

[rsqman]

I was taught how to unjam tandem prusiks on the belay line. One of the methods was called vector the line. We only covered it briefly so I am not sure I remember how. I put this image together in what I think how it is done. My thinking is you pull the load part of the line to get the load off the prusiks. Is my drawing correct? The other way was using a 3:1 pulley but I am still trying to recall.

Thanks

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Good morning again Michael,

No, your drawing is not correct. If the prusiks are jammed up then you have to raise the main line to create enough slack in the belay line to free up the prusiks. Step #1 - Say STOP!. You will never free the prusiks if the main line keeps trying to lower the load. Step #2 - lock off the main line lowering device. Step #3 - vector the main line to create slack in the belay line. Step #4 - free up the prusiks, unlock the main line and continue the lower.

You can also put a single pulley in the main line between the lowering device and the rope bag and attach it to the main line between the lowering device and the load with a prusik. This will give you a 2 to 1 hauling system to create slack in the belay line. It is a 2 to 1 instead of a 3 to 1 because the rope will not move through the lowering device.

Mike Dunn

[MichaelXYZ]

HI Mike, thanks for correcting me. I think I got it, vectoring part, still working out the pulley method. Does this drawing look correct?
Thanks

[MichaelXYZ]

Is this right for the pulley method?

[MichaelXYZ]

Is there a way to jam up the prusiks on purpose for training use?

[Rescue 2 Training]

Yes that's the correct pulley method as described.

To lock up the prusiks during training, keep lowering on the main line and stop minding the prusiks. Let them grab the belay line until all of the weight is supported on the belay.

[rsqman]

Is this right for the pulley method?

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Everything is correct except you would not use prusiks on the main line. It is just a very short haul to release the belay prusiks so no need to try to reset the main line.

Mike

[FiremanLyman]

HI Mike, thanks for correcting me. I think I got it, vectoring part, still working out the pulley method. Does this drawing look correct?
Thanks

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You have a load releasing hitch drawn into your system. You would not need to vector anything, only let out on the LRH and loosen the prusicks.

[Rescue 2 Training]

You have a load releasing hitch drawn into your system. You would not need to vector anything, only let out on the LRH and loosen the prusicks.

The LRH is would work if it is in place, but a vector is quick and requires no extra hardware/ software, etc... The picture in the original post did not have them. If a system were setup as in the original picture, a vector would probably be the easiest way to unstick the belay prusiks. Even with an LRH in place on the main line, for whatever reason, I'd still attempt a vector first.

[rsqman]

Even with an LRH in place on the main line, for whatever reason, I'd still attempt a vector first.

Absolutely. Vector first then LRH if vectoring didn't work. Unless you have a second LRH rigged and ready to drop into place you will have to re-tie the first one which takes time the patient may not have. It is not unusual for the prusiks to jam up during a lowering operation.....inexperienced belayer, belayer can't keep up with speed of lower, belay line sheath bunching up in front of the prusiks, etc.

Mike

[cpfdmiller]

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