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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    For me, it's not a point of living off other peoples taxes, or paying taxes. The real issue isn't even the taxes for core services, but the blatant fraud and the continual social program upon social program. It's not a safety net, it's become a way of life for a segment of our population. Call me what you will, but paying people from the "social security" fund that have never contributed, is wrong; allowing people to live in one state and collect in another, is wrong; paying for numerous illegitimate kids, is wrong. Especially when not holding the fathers responsible. Using an EBT card at a casino or liquor store is wrong. It goes on and on.
    Until we get term limits and a flat tax, eliminating loop holes, it will never change. Period.
    As far as your voting choice, it's yours.
    Ah, someone who "gets it". I'm tired of hearing "Oh that's just grant money". NO, it's TAXPAYER money, quit spending it on stupid stuff.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    For me, it's not a point of living off other peoples taxes, or paying taxes. The real issue isn't even the taxes for core services, but the blatant fraud and the continual social program upon social program.
    I would agree with you were it not for the fact that many conservative groups have their hands into the government coffers just as deep as any of those you believe are abusing the safety nets.

    I will reiterate what I told johnsb. There are groups that make no distinguishment between your livelihood and the crack mom getting welfare payments for her kids.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Ah, someone who "gets it". I'm tired of hearing "Oh that's just grant money". NO, it's TAXPAYER money, quit spending it on stupid stuff.
    I agree whole-heartily.
    I'm not a fan of grants....I can see an important grants being used for such things a fire-wide issues: NIMS related training, specialized equipment, radios system and etc. Or even grants to provide NFPA compliant equipment in times of extensive upgrades or modernization. Hell, even equipment and training for the very rural areas with-out a tax base. This don't include fee based private organizations...they don't want to pay for fire service, hey, it's a free country, I'm good with that.
    But to use it to run day to day operations of a fire department or maintain adequate staffing to make up for the costs incurred directly or indirectly of the mounting welfare society is criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I would agree with you were it not for the fact that many conservative groups have their hands into the government coffers just as deep as any of those you believe are abusing the safety nets.

    I will reiterate what I told johnsb. There are groups that make no distinguishment between your livelihood and the crack mom getting welfare payments for her kids.
    Morons come in all shapes and sizes. Firefighters and EMS personnel provide a VALUABLE service to their communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Morons come in all shapes and sizes. Firefighters and EMS personnel provide a VALUABLE service to their communities.
    No arguments on either of those points. However, that doesn't mean that every individual taxpayer out there would pay for that service given the choice.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No arguments on either of those points. However, that doesn't mean that every individual taxpayer out there would pay for that service given the choice.
    And that's when you end up with situations like rural Tenn. where they had subscriptions, and everyone whining when the FD wouldn't put out a fire when the taxpayer knew the deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    And that's when you end up with situations like rural Tenn. where they had subscriptions, and everyone whining when the FD wouldn't put out a fire when the taxpayer knew the deal.
    I agree. That type of reality doesn't affect those who claim that belief. They believe it would never happen to them, and when it does they have no problem screaming about how they were mistreated by the very government they despise.
    Last edited by scfire86; 03-21-2013 at 10:20 AM.
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