I didn't take names and ask for thier SOPs, but I have had those conversations in LA, TX and other states in the mid-south.
And again, I never stated that "any organization" did anything. I stated an observation. Or maybe an opinion. But certainly didn't comment on how any organization operates. lMaybe you need to learn how to tell the difference.
but the reality that MOST of the fire departments in this country do not have a with abandoned buildings being occupied and do not need to send members interior.
If they can justify it, fine, but they are the ones that will have to live with the consequences.
Please identify exactly where I stated how any organization does anything in the above statement.
Oh wait for it .....
Sounds like impersonating firefighters to me.
You can deny all you want. But you posted it, we read it and we remember it.
Just like when you said that you would let a child trapped inside a car (that was on fire) to die in the flames. Wish you never said that one, don'tcha???
As far as opinions that folks may have about me, I tend not to listen to them.
Additionally, you made a statement of opinion that most departments don't have occupied abandoned buildings, so entry isn't necessary. FWDBuff simply asked you to name a single fire department with an SOP that is representative of your stated opinion and to share that SOP. Not sure why that was so confusing for you.
When a fire truck runs into a building at an intersection, and it's determined to be speed, and not mechanical, somebody needs to lose a job.
Yes, I have little tolerance for speed and intersection accidents when the red lights and stop signs are being violated, and little tolerance for any organization that does not fire said operators and the officers sitting besides him that let's it happen.
Just like if one of my members, career or volunteer ran a red light and hit a car. I would be calling for their heads.
I have little tolerance for members that can't follow rules. I have little tolerance for members that take extreme risks, even to save lives (which often are not viable) and put the brothers at risk that now have to come and get them. And I have even less tolerance for officers and departments that allow this crap to go on.
And that includes calling my own departments out to the Chiefs, officers and members, which yes, gets me in trouble and often prevents friendships, but honestly, I don't give a damn if it does.
As far as my comment regarding the kid in the car, no, I have regrets. I would not have made an effort if I was in that situation, without PPE and likely without an extinguisher driving through a neighboring city without wage/benefit medical protection.
Today, with salary/benefit protection as civil service, it may be a different situation, but honestly, I doubt it. Call me what you will, but yes, my family financial responsibilities does come first.
The two guys with "experience" with me had a training burn or two and maybe one fire, and no command experience. I had a couple of more working fires but not much more.
Again, did what I did to protect my members as ranking officer with 2 years of experience primarily running fire alarms and smoke investigations. That's my primary job.
And as I said, never have looked back on that decision.
At the time, I was the Asst. Chief.
We handled the fire alarms and smoke investigations on campus, as well as the very rare trash/dumpster or vehicle or brush fire. As a rule we would call the town department as well for any fire, but they had a mile long climb up a fairly steep grade to reach the college. Response time to the campus because of the grade was 15 minutes on dry roads, a little bit longer in the winter, so many times we would have the out or at least knocked down before they arrived.
They would also call us to respond to off-campus calls as initial response outside of the campus on the hill due to their response time.
We also ran mutual aid to several small towns.
We also ran a student-run rescue squad which provided all EMS transport for 9 small towns over a 400-square mile response area.
It was rural VT in the late 70's. At the time there were 4 college fire departments in VT. All are gone now except for one.
You are a hopeless blowhard. Every time you open your mouth you make yourself look more foolish. It’s people like you that are leading the charge in the pussification of the fire service. I’d rather drag my naked *** across a mile of broken glass than listen to you and your crap.
Thanks for providing tonights cheap entertainment, there isn't **** on TV.
First of all, the college supplied no money for operations and apparatus purchases, but did pick up the insurance, gas, housing, and oil changes and some light repairs that could be done by the college shop.
The truck was a homemade unit with a 1971 surplus Dodge Power Wagon, utility body, front mount pump and donated equipment and a tank that was surplus from somewhere around the college. We also carried a portable pump for rural water supply ops to supplement the front mount. We had 500 or 600' of 2.5", a few hundred feet of 1.5", 4 Scott 2As and some miscellaneous tools so it was a pretty basic rig.
The truck replaced a 1934 Buffalo which finally quit in 1977.
We ran on less than $1500 per year.
And yes, there were hydrants, but they were fairly widely spaced. I think the entire campus had 5 or 6 if I remember correctly. The one good thing was that the water supply sat about 500 vertical feet above us so we had great pressure. In fact the town was feed off the same system and they had about 160 psi at most of their hydrants.
And yes, we were a group of college kids that did some firefighting and we did Ok, or at least that's what the locals told us.
Unfortunately we closed up about 3 years after I left as Chief. Basically the college just decided that we were expendable and stopped all of the support, and the locals tried to help but they had little or no spare change.
Goddard closed up a couple of years after that when the college closed and Norwich, which was a military school and ran a pretty tight department, closed up after they rolled a rig and killed 2 or 3 students. The driver was convicted of drunk driving
Which explains why I have volunteered for 34 years, currently volunteer for another department on my off time, teach 4-5 classes per month at other local departments for free, help teach at LSU drill nights for free, and go to outside training 3-5 hours per month on my own time.
It's a good thing you cleared that up.
By the way, I just got back from responding in, for free, to my career gig when they had multiple calls going on and drove the backup bus housed at our station for the parish EMS service into the hospital, again, fo' free. Ya, you're right. It's all about the money.
My personnel, career or volunteer, are all going home after the shift or the fire, and all of my volunteers are showing up for work at their fulltime jobs the next day. All the time. As an officer, that is my primary job.
Further, the last paragraph of your post here proves nothing other than you don't care about breaking federal law and that you are a fool. Neither of which seem to phase you in the least.
No, the fact of the mater is in your mind, there is absolutely no benefit worth any of your risk.Quote:
If by pussification, you mean taking less chances without meaningful benefits, and lowering the injury and death rate, then I'm all in on that.
You are a poser, and the worst type of poser at that. You come on here pretending to be firefighter and an educator, spouting of your worthless opinion as learned fact. Yet you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence to back up any of your claim of what you perceive most fire departments are doing.