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    Default Staying at Bingo instead of responding to structure fire

    It's every bit as bad as it sounds.

    A volunteer fire department in West Virginia did not respond to a structure fire 3 miles from their station--and yes, in their first-due area--because a "non-firefighting member" told them to stay at the Bingo event going on at their station.

    Watch the video and read the news stories linked in the description.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5ZeXgTEv34

    And by the way, in 2010 they got a SAFER grant for $220k. I wonder if the terms of the grant require only that you have people around, not that they necessarily respond. SAFER, you are a world-class waste.
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    It might have been dangerous, you know with all those flames, smoke and heat. Would not want to risk an injury or a booboo to any member.



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    I can understand one or two people staying behind (out dept. policy is that all non-members in the station must be accompanied by a member) until the rest of the public left, then respond in. But to not respond in general.......wow.

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    What blew me away is that a "non-firefighter" member told them to stay. What the deuce??
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    Statter has a lot on this - also http://www.topix.com/forum/city/beck...68VUN00FH8B/p4
    http://www.faqs.org/tax-exempt/WV/Br...html#revenue_a
    http://www.register-herald.com/local...FD-broke/print
    This is a little I found out -on statter -I got the "how dare you question the dirt poor vollies, they live hand to mouth on bingo" treatment. -seems like they are fairly well funded
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    Default Without sinking to the below mental attitude of some

    I used to belong to a volunteer station that had Sunday afternoon bingo and when we had a call, not everybody went. Enough went on the call and those left behind managed the bingo till the rest came back.

    As for a non firefighting member in this situation, he/she would of found themselves standing all alone in the station. Bingo can wait, the life of a person in trouble, is what and why we became volunteers to serve the community even at the risk of our own lives.

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    Doesn't surprise me in the least.

    The citizens who called shouldn't be surprised either.

    They got the level of service for which they're willing to pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Doesn't surprise me in the least.

    The citizens who called shouldn't be surprised either.

    They got the level of service for which they're willing to pay.
    How much is the department's budget?
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    The PIO said it was a huge screw up and has apologized. Lucky no one was hurt. Seemed like a good mutual aid response from surrounding depts. though, judging from how much trailer house was left when they arrived. Sounds like one person made the incorrect call to not respond based on staffing and qualifications. I hate to throw them all under the bus based on the fact that I was not there. I do wonder though if they should have gone to the scene to help other units in any capacity they could have, but I was not there and don't have all the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Doesn't surprise me in the least.

    The citizens who called shouldn't be surprised either.

    They got the level of service for which they're willing to pay.
    Your lack of understanding of the volunteer fire service never ceases to amaze me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Your lack of understanding of the volunteer fire service never ceases to amaze me.
    I understand the purpose of the fire service in America is to respond to emergencies. Not play bingo when the bell sounds.
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    Scfire's view of the volunteer service is, quite frankly, the view of alot of the people we serve. Because of stories like these.. Is why we as a whole will never be considered "real firefighters" or nothing more then people who couldn't do it for real or get paid and why many in our communities consider us a joke.

    The stories of members stealing money or whatever is 1 thing.. There's corruption and criminals in every job/ profession/hobby.

    This, however, is firefighters, not doing thier jobs. Like they flat out refused to go to a working fire in thier first due. Instead they stayed in house to support bingo. And what's worse, a non- member told them not to go. This is disgusting, a disgrace, and not only should thier safer grant be taken back in full they should not be allowed to respond to ANY emergency incidents PERIOD.

    If I was working bingo, and we had a working fire, and some non-member told me not to respond, bingo was more important.. I'd take the truck myself.. As long as I was qualified to drive.. And at least make an attempt at a knock down. And I'd take the butt chewing later. I'm sure the little old ladies would understand that bingo was on pause because someone's house was burning down.

    Now, I highly doubt these clowns will ever have a successful fundraiser ever again and they have lost all credibility in thier community, all while giving the rest of us vollys a bad name and a black eye.

    Thanks but no thanks. I could care less what their budget is, their membership situation is, or how old their trucks are.. This is fundamentally wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I understand the purpose of the fire service in America is to respond to emergencies. Not play bingo when the bell sounds.
    Agreed. But using the tired "you get what you pay for line" blanket statement about the volunteer fire service grows old after a while. I would argue that 99.5% of volunteer fire service leaders in the US find what occured in this instance to be shameful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Agreed. But using the tired "you get what you pay for line" blanket statement about the volunteer fire service grows old after a while. I would argue that 99.5% of volunteer fire service leaders in the US find what occured in this instance to be shameful.
    I asked him what the department's budget was because I do know, thanks to the link from slackjawedyokel. It shows that these buffoons are knocking down $600K+ per year from fundraisers, evidently the aforementioned bingo.

    So money is not the issue. Purely ****-poor judgement is. But scfire would rather thrown crap at every volunteer department--or maybe more specifically, their communities--with a flip, unsubstantiated cheap shot than get tangled up in facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Agreed. But using the tired "you get what you pay for line" blanket statement about the volunteer fire service grows old after a while. I would argue that 99.5% of volunteer fire service leaders in the US find what occured in this instance to be shameful.

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    I asked him what the department's budget was because I do know, thanks to the link from slackjawedyokel. It shows that these buffoons are knocking down $600K+ per year from fundraisers, evidently the aforementioned bingo.

    So money is not the issue. Purely ****-poor judgement is. But scfire would rather thrown crap at every volunteer department--or maybe more specifically, their communities--with a flip, unsubstantiated cheap shot than get tangled up in facts.
    None of which changes the fact that someone attached to a VFD decided bingo was more important than responding to an emergency.

    Your criticisms of me doesn't change any of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    None of which changes the fact that someone attached to a VFD decided bingo was more important than responding to an emergency.

    Your criticisms of me doesn't change any of that.
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    You know the tune, let's sing a long!

    There's structure fire down the road
    should we stay or go? Oh

    B-I-N-G-O
    B-I-N-G-O
    B-I-N-G-O

    let's stay and play Bingo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    None of which changes the fact that someone attached to a VFD decided bingo was more important than responding to an emergency.

    Your criticisms of me doesn't change any of that.
    We agree that there was no reason for these people to sit at the station like idiots when there was a structure fire. However, you chose to use their behavior as an indictment of the volunteer fire service, which is inaccurate and unfair extrapolation.

    This department, flush with their Bingo and SAFER money, is proof of the exact opposite of your statement. The people of that community, and the whole nation, have paid through the nose for a fire department and instead got this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    We agree that there was no reason for these people to sit at the station like idiots when there was a structure fire. However, you chose to use their behavior as an indictment of the volunteer fire service, which is inaccurate and unfair extrapolation.
    Only if one assumes this is the exception. I don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    This department, flush with their Bingo and SAFER money, is proof of the exact opposite of your statement. The people of that community, and the whole nation, have paid through the nose for a fire department and instead got this.
    Then the question begs to be asked. Why were they doing a bingo fundraiser in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Only if one assumes this is the exception. I don't.


    Then the question begs to be asked. Why were they doing a bingo fundraiser in the first place?
    The exception to what? The rule that all volunteer fire departments are composed of inbred cousin humpers who couldn't put out a fire to save their lives?

    And yes, as for the bingo, I think it's quite clear they have entirely too much money. Why indeed were they doing a fundraiser with that much cash in the bank, and why would they let it keep them from their (purportedly) real mission of fighting fire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    The exception to what? The rule that all volunteer fire departments are composed of inbred cousin humpers who couldn't put out a fire to save their lives?
    I didn't say that, you did. However, their actions were not an aberration compared to the vollies I worked with during my years. They were typical of this type of mindset. My favorite anecdote is when the vollies went out to a brushfire, brought their rig back and then demanded the career personnel clean the hose and wash the rig. This was not an atypical attitude. They finally imploded. Sad that communities like this one don't have that option. They're stuck with this group of morons in the fake belief that they are being protected.

    BTW, I love the series Justified. Isn't it set in your neck of the woods?

    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    And yes, as for the bingo, I think it's quite clear they have entirely too much money. Why indeed were they doing a fundraiser with that much cash in the bank, and why would they let it keep them from their (purportedly) real mission of fighting fire?
    You'll have to ask them. I'm not clairvoyant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I didn't say that, you did. However, their actions were not an aberration compared to the vollies I worked with during my years. They were typical of this type of mindset. My favorite anecdote is when the vollies went out to a brushfire, brought their rig back and then demanded the career personnel clean the hose and wash the rig. This was not an atypical attitude. They finally imploded. Sad that communities like this one don't have that option. They're stuck with this group of morons in the fake belief that they are being protected.

    BTW, I love the series Justified. Isn't it set in your neck of the woods?


    You'll have to ask them. I'm not clairvoyant.
    Anecdotally I can go through about three telephone exchanges' worth of area and find a goodly number of buffoons operating organizations cleverly disguised as fire departments. But it's not tough to find some really sharp ones, too.

    Justified is down around Hazard, I think. Yeah, that's roughly an hour's drive from here. Very roughly.

    I don't know who this Claire Voyant person is, but I don't think she knows either. But I was asking rhetorically, since there is NO reason to continue sponging the dough and failing to show. (Ooo! A rhyme!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    I don't know who this Claire Voyant person is, but I don't think she knows either. But I was asking rhetorically, since there is NO reason to continue sponging the dough and failing to show. (Ooo! A rhyme!)
    Well done. I appreciate well written prose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Well done. I appreciate well written prose.
    Oh, I'm a pro all right.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37v-6Zs5T10

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