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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    I am not sure why the officers are fighting me on the scba issue, and it sounds like you guys are set up well. We have a lot of old guys that never wear scba anyway so they figure I don't need one on the tender. Yes, all of our 2 1/2 is on top with the LDH and not preconected. I was thinking the van might be in the way if the fire had extended to the house, but I suppose you could move it at anytime if it was needed.
    We carry 6 SCBAs and 6 spare cylinders on our tanker, however, they are very rarely used for firefighting as the SCBAs primarily come off the engines.

    Primary reason they are carried is to meet the SCBA requirements for a service truck, which is how our tanker is classified under the LA rating system.
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    [QUOTE=FyredUp;1366575 Stretch a 200 foot 2 inch pre-connect down the driveway and utilize the 1 1/4 inch slug tip to hit the side of the house with a quick shot to knock down the visible fire and then turn that stream onto the garage. Hitting it with 300 gpm and foam would make quick work of that fire. [/QUOTE]

    Not being familiar with 2 in hose, what pressure does it take to get 300 gpm? My slide rule does support 2 in.

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    Engine, crew of 4....lay in from hydrant (1 guy there), officer would walk to back to see what's going on, other FF would stretch 1 3/4" crosslay. Driver would connect supply, charge line. Guy at hydrant would walk up and be backup on line till visible fire knocked down. Officer would be checking extension and then backup guy would join him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Not being familiar with 2 in hose, what pressure does it take to get 300 gpm? My slide rule does support 2 in.
    We tested this with a calibrated flow meter AND a Pitot Gauge and we found we could flow 300 gpm through 200 feet of 2 inch at a pump discharge pressure of 150 psi. The nozzle pressure is right around 40 psi.
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    Good grief! Two inch line sounds like a good idea. More water less pressure than 1 3/4 and easier to move and advance than 2 1/2. Do you have to adapt a 2 1/2 nozzle or is there a good selection of 2 in? Do you guys still have 2 1/2 on the engines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Good grief! Two inch line sounds like a good idea. More water less pressure than 1 3/4 and easier to move and advance than 2 1/2. Do you have to adapt a 2 1/2 nozzle or is there a good selection of 2 in? Do you guys still have 2 1/2 on the engines?
    We use a standard Elkhart Nozzle a 4000-24 low pressure combination nozzle that flows 200 gpm at 75 psi, we underpump to 55 psi at the tip to give us 160 gpm as a starting flow. The shut off is an Elkhart5 B-375-GAT with a 1 1/4 inch slug tip smoothbore. Well actually, when we bought them we bought B-275-GAT's with integral 15/16 inch slug tips and when we wanted to go to 1 1/4 slug tips Elkhart didn't make one yet so we took ours to a machine shop and had them bored out to 1 1/4 inch. These nozzles are all 1 1/2 inch thread because that is the size of the couplings on our 2 inch hose.

    We do not own a single foot of 2 1/2 inch hose. All of our handlines are 2 inch, well other than 1 inch forestry hose for wildfires. The other sizes of hose we have are 3 inch for our apartment lay, supplying deluge sets, supplying FDC's, or filling tankers. We also have 5 inch hose for supply. So essentially we are a 1, 2, 3, 5 inch hose FD.

    By the way, I am NOT an Elkhart salesman, I just really like there nozzles!
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Out of curiosity, does anyone keep scba on their tenders? We don't and the officers have told me we don't need them on the tender. I only ask because I have been in the tender on mutual aid for a structure fire and needed an scba but couldn't get one and I HATE trailer house smoke.
    We have SCBAs for every seat except the driver in our tanker. That may have to do with the fact that it started out as a pumper/tanker and ran as our engine for the first part of it's life. Having the SCBA on board comes in handy if we have extra staffing that arrives in the tanker as opposed to waiting for the next engine to leave.

    Once it is replaced, I expect that we will put SCBA for each seating position on the new tanker.
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    First engine should lay in, so in lets say we have a full crew, one guy is at the hydrant, pull up and hit with the deck gun for 3-4 secs, calm it down for a min or two so guys 3 & 4 can stretch 1 3/4 to protect the house from the garage. as soon as number 5 with water supply comes back up, him and 6 grab the deuce and a half, and together with the 1 3/4 and the deck gun again, attack it. 1 3/4 goes left around the car where they have been protecting the house, deck gun over top the car, 2 1/2 goes right. Second in engine should be here by now, they can investigate the house for extension, M/A will be arriving about this time, two engines, a ladder, a squad as rit, a tender, an ambulance and two chiefs. Switch the attack crews out with the two engine crews to finish extinguishing/Overhaul. I'd give an entire engine a line where before one crew ran both because they will need to manpower to open up any remaining walls and what not. Return Ladder, and squad as soon as is is confirmed extinguished and there is no extention into the house, release the remaining M/A companies as soon as hoses start to be broke down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    We carry 6 SCBAs and 6 spare cylinders on our tanker, however, they are very rarely used for firefighting as the SCBAs primarily come off the engines.

    Primary reason they are carried is to meet the SCBA requirements for a service truck, which is how our tanker is classified under the LA rating system.
    No one here is surprised that your SCBA's are rarely used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Btownguy View Post
    First engine should lay in, so in lets say we have a full crew, one guy is at the hydrant, pull up and hit with the deck gun for 3-4 secs, calm it down for a min or two so guys 3 & 4 can stretch 1 3/4 to protect the house from the garage. as soon as number 5 with water supply comes back up, him and 6 grab the deuce and a half, and together with the 1 3/4 and the deck gun again, attack it. 1 3/4 goes left around the car where they have been protecting the house, deck gun over top the car, 2 1/2 goes right. Second in engine should be here by now, they can investigate the house for extension, M/A will be arriving about this time, two engines, a ladder, a squad as rit, a tender, an ambulance and two chiefs. Switch the attack crews out with the two engine crews to finish extinguishing/Overhaul. I'd give an entire engine a line where before one crew ran both because they will need to manpower to open up any remaining walls and what not. Return Ladder, and squad as soon as is is confirmed extinguished and there is no extention into the house, release the remaining M/A companies as soon as hoses start to be broke down.
    WOW! That is a lot of water and equipment for a single car garage fire!

    If you are going to pull a 2 1/2 why wouldn't it be your first line off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    WOW! That is a lot of water and equipment for a single car garage fire!

    If you are going to pull a 2 1/2 why wouldn't it be your first line off?
    That's pretty much what I was thinking while reading it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No one here is surprised that your SCBA's are rarely used.
    We actually use SCBA ........... off the engines ................very often.

    It's no surprise that you continue to be a ..... Dumb@@@.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    WOW! That is a lot of water and equipment for a single car garage fire!
    I bet it saves time doing overhaul, though. Flowing the deck gun, 1-3/4 and 2-1/2, they can just wash the entire garage away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    We actually use SCBA ........... off the engines ................very often.

    It's no surprise that you continue to be a ..... Dumb@@@.
    Of course you do. It must get smokey in the yard while the whole house is on fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    Of course you do. It must get smokey in the yard while the whole house is on fire.
    Was referring to the tanker on my combo department where we have better response times as well as the training, experience, manpower and resources to fight fire aggressively most of the time.

    We don't carry SCBA on the tanker at my VFD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Was referring to the tanker on my combo department where we have better response times as well as the training, experience, manpower and resources to fight fire aggressively most of the time.

    We don't carry SCBA on the tanker at my VFD.
    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    We actually use SCBA ........... off the engines ................very often.

    It's no surprise that you continue to be a ..... Dumb@@@.
    Sure you do. For what? Photo Ops?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    We actually use SCBA ........... off the engines ................very often.

    It's no surprise that you continue to be a ..... Dumb@@@.
    WOW! La f,or the guy that claims the high road, it seems here you slipped off into the ditch and maybe even rolled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    WOW! La f,or the guy that claims the high road, it seems here you slipped off into the ditch and maybe even rolled.
    Reckon if LA's car caught fire while resting on its roof he'd want an off duty fire fighter to help him; should one drive by?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    WOW! La f,or the guy that claims the high road, it seems here you slipped off into the ditch and maybe even rolled.
    He's getting flustered. He's got so many people calling him on so much of his BS, he's changed his story so many times, and spun it so many different ways, that he can't keep his story straight.

    Hell, I don't even think he reads what he says anymore....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Well, on my #1 POC FD that would be a 2 inch pre-connect down the driveway to kill that fire and another inside the house to check for extension. On my #2 POC FD and my Career FD this would be a 1 3/4 down the driveway and another inside the house to check for extension.

    Honestly, it looks spectacular from the end of the driveway but I don't think that is really much of a fire at this point.

    I give the kid on the garden hose credit for trying to save the car. At least he is shielded by the house.
    I totally agree 100%. That is exactly how I would do it.

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