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    Discuss what your FD would do in this situation...


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    Futile? Yes, but you must appreciate the effort. Maybe this was in Bossier Parrish and the guy was desperately hoping to quell the fire before the FD and LA showed up to protect him and let his home burn down?
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    I believe that while this man is not short of guts, his method of attack could be better. For instance, he could have formed a packing house loop with that hose to be more comfortable during the extended firefight. Also, the neighbors garbage can lids would allow him to move in a little closer because it is obvious that he is beyond maximum effective reach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    I believe that while this man is not short of guts, his method of attack could be better. For instance, he could have formed a packing house loop with that hose to be more comfortable during the extended firefight. Also, the neighbors garbage can lids would allow him to move in a little closer because it is obvious that he is beyond maximum effective reach.
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    Clearly the problem is that he is not wearing shorts with his flip flops.
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    At first I thought the car was on fire, but now I think the garage is involved. It does not look like the garage is attached so I figure one would stretch forward and try to keep it from spreading to the house. Maybe a deck gun from the engine on the street plus hand lines. Another pumper from the alley might be able to do some good. it looks like if the car becomes involved the exposure problem would be a tough one. Just guessing here.

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    Hopefully we saw the heavy smoke coming in and at least tagged a hydrant. If this was a single engine response for a car fire, get on the radio and fill out the tactical box (2 engines, 2 trucks, 1 squad or rescue company and one ambulance.) Two and a half bomb line right up the driveway and push it back into itself if its just a detached garage. Have the next due unit (doesnt matter what) make the hydrant connection and get us water.
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    A deck gun and multiple lines? A 2 1/2"?

    Not me.
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    He's using a fog stream. Everybody knows a straight stream is better...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    He's using a fog stream. Everybody knows a straight stream is better...
    green or yellow garden hose? On a serious note -like conrad said -looks like a detached garage spreading to exposures. First line to the house on the left-exposure B (exterior) 2nd either to the right(expD) or behind the garage(exp C ) , depending on exposures , if manpower permits, pull a 2-1/2 to the main fire and reposition the first line to go inside exp A if needed.
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    and I guess I should say -open up the soffit and /or ceiling on the house
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    Well, on my #1 POC FD that would be a 2 inch pre-connect down the driveway to kill that fire and another inside the house to check for extension. On my #2 POC FD and my Career FD this would be a 1 3/4 down the driveway and another inside the house to check for extension.

    Honestly, it looks spectacular from the end of the driveway but I don't think that is really much of a fire at this point.

    I give the kid on the garden hose credit for trying to save the car. At least he is shielded by the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Well, on my #1 POC FD that would be a 2 inch pre-connect down the driveway to kill that fire and another inside the house to check for extension. On my #2 POC FD and my Career FD this would be a 1 3/4 down the driveway and another inside the house to check for extension.

    Honestly, it looks spectacular from the end of the driveway but I don't think that is really much of a fire at this point.

    I give the kid on the garden hose credit for trying to save the car. At least he is shielded by the house.
    I'll buy all that except I think the garage is a goner and the possibly the car from heat damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Well, on my #1 POC FD that would be a 2 inch pre-connect down the driveway to kill that fire and another inside the house to check for extension. On my #2 POC FD and my Career FD this would be a 1 3/4 down the driveway and another inside the house to check for extension.

    Honestly, it looks spectacular from the end of the driveway but I don't think that is really much of a fire at this point.

    I give the kid on the garden hose credit for trying to save the car. At least he is shielded by the house.
    I'll buy all that except I think the garage and the possibly the car from heat damage is a goner

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    Combo department ......

    Most of the officers would pull 2 1 3/4" lines with one going to the front of the garage for direct attack and one going to knock down any exterior fire on the house and then going interior to work extenstion house. Most days manpower would not be an issue for that operation with on-duty manpower and responding volunteers.

    As far as my response, I would order either a quick master stream attack on the garage switching to a 2 1/2" preconnect to first hot the exterior of the house then work the garage. After the fire has been knocked down I would likely wye it down to a smaller line and work the interior with Class A foam from a propack. I would also order a 1 3/4" line interior ... Yes, Interior .... to check for spread interior and support with additional manpower as required as it arrives.

    Volunteer Department ......

    Manpower resources are far more limited and fluctuate significantly, compared to the fairly constant response of my combo department.

    Let's assume myself and four other initial responders plus the 5-man AMA response from the neighboring combo city department with probably an arrival time of about 5 minutes after our first-in engine.

    Initial attack on the garage with one firefighter with the 100' 2 1/2" transistional line. Two members would be tasked to pull an 1 3/4", knock down exterior fire on the house and if their experience and training permit, go interior and do a rapid assessment. When the city crew arrives I would likely split them assigning 2 members to assist on operations in the garage and have three assist inside the structure.

    The one advantage my volunteer department has vs. my combo is a 1500g vs. 1000g water tank on 3 of our 5 first-out engines, and a 5000g tanker second out (in most cases). Also the mutual aid engine is setup to flow Class A foam on multiple discharges at the same time, which is not a capability available to my combo department. I would have also called my combo department in mutual aid and assigned them as required on arrival.

    In both cases I would also have the exterior crews open up the soffit, as one poster has mentioned, as it's likely fire penetrated that space.
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    The guy in the flip flops, with the green line has everything under control.

    Seriously though, my main objective would be to protect the house (exposure) and push the fire back to the garage. Garage and vehicle are toast.

    Volunteer FD #1: Pull off 1 1/2" preconnect and proceed down the driveway to keep fire from spreading to house and then attack main body of fire.

    Volunteer FD #2, pull off 1 3/4" preconnect and do same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller337 View Post
    I'll buy all that except I think the garage and the possibly the car from heat damage is a goner
    I won't disagree that the garage will be probably torn down. That doesn't change my mind about believing that a medium sized hoseline flowing 150 gpm or more can kill this fire pretty quick.
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    Most likely 1 3/4" preconnect to the fire, maybe a 2nd line for exposures. Doubtful we'd send anyone onto that roof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    A deck gun and multiple lines? A 2 1/2"?

    Not me.
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    Based on the limited view...........An 1-3/4" (we don't have 2") line head on as the initial line. Hit the far part of the D side of the house and then onto the main body of fire.

    Sometimes the best way to "protect the exposure" is to not putz around and just put the damn fire out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    Sometimes the best way to "protect the exposure" is to not putz around and just put the damn fire out!
    Can I get a HELL YEAH!! Too often forgot in the tactical checklist world of command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post

    Sometimes the best way to "protect the exposure" is to not putz around and just put the damn fire out!
    Dittos on the dittos. My definition of protecting the exposure on this one is a few quick swipes on the side of the house, then on to the main body of the fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    He's using a fog stream. Everybody knows a straight stream is better...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I won't disagree that the garage will be probably torn down. That doesn't change my mind about believing that a medium sized hoseline flowing 150 gpm or more can kill this fire pretty quick.
    Grab a donut, you are I.C. I think you are spot on and have a good plan. It is simple to execute with very low risk and if it goes sideways there are lots of good options. 1 3/4 -2 will actually flow over 200 gpm if setup properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    2 inch pre-connect down the driveway to kill that fire and another inside the house to check for extension.
    This. But depending what was on fire, and how much of it was burning when I got a better picture, I would consider using our Class-A foam system as well through the fire attack line only.

    I would have a crew open up the soffit for investigation and depending what was found there, and what the crew inside found, possibly open the roof for further investigation.

    I would also task a crew with a third 2" for exterior exposure protection, depending on what else is near the fire. My bet would be there is some sort of structure to the right of where the fire is in the picture, because that line of bushes looks like it could possibly be a divider between yards/driveways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller337 View Post
    Grab a donut, you are I.C. I think you are spot on and have a good plan. It is simple to execute with very low risk and if it goes sideways there are lots of good options. 1 3/4 -2 will actually flow over 200 gpm if setup properly.
    We have 200gpm at 75psi Elkhart nozzles on all of our lines except one. The other one has a 250gpm at 50psi Elkhart on it.

    On both of our engines, the adjustable stream tip on our crosslays spin off and there is a 1 1/4" slug tip as well. The nozzles on our Pumper/Tanker crosslays spin and there is a 1 1/8" slug tip.

    The 250 at 50 nozzle is on the bumper of our pumper/tanker, and is the only nozzle without a slug tip.
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