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    It wasn't too long ago that the Apparatus Forum was nearly as busy as the main firefighters forum, with continual questions, ideas and issue daily. Now it goes days (sometimes over a week?) for a single new post?

    So, anyone attend FDIC and have any pics they'd be willing to share with those of us stuck at home?

    I hope to start some threads regarding different aspects of our next apparatus purchase in the near future: supply pumper set up for both hydrant and rural water applications.

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    I have a couple of hundred photos. I'll be posting many of them over on Firepics.net.

    As always, there was a good selection of rigs and manufacturers there. Off the top of my head (all numbers approximate):

    - Pierce (9)
    - Rosenbauer (8)
    - E-One (6)
    - Sutphen (6)
    - ALF (4)
    - Midwest (2)
    - UST (2)
    - Fouts (2)
    - Blanchat (2)
    - Ft Garry (1)
    - Quiroga (1)
    - Spencer (1)
    - Hackney (1)
    - Toyne (3)
    - KME (7)
    - Smeal (5)
    - Spartan chassis (3)
    - Spartan ERV (6)
    - HME (5)
    - Firovac (1)
    - Alexis (2)

    In a thread on Firepics, a couple of us were noting that there was some real fit-and-finish issues with some of the manufacturers. From poor wiring, bad welds, unprotected fuse blocks & electronics, to roll-up doors installed incorrectly. Yes, this was a minority of the rigs, but was surprising to see on the FDIC show floor nonetheless.

    Last year was the first time we saw flat-screen pump panel controls. This year, a KME rescue-pumper from Lugoff, SC was sporting one, as was a demo Rosenbauer pumper. FRC and Elkhardt continue to revise this technology, so I have no doubt you'll see more of them at 2014 FDIC.

    The new Spartan ERV/Gimaex engine/aerial thing was there with a 65' mid-mount aerial. The turntable doesn't auto-level, but the ladder itself does. Interesting concept. Lots of compartment space, but also a lot of tail-swing!

    Seagrave had a lot of notices that they won't work on a re-mounted Aerialscope unless THEY re-mount it.

    Sutphen debuted their ladder with fully-manual controls on it, something customers had been asking for a lot apparently.

    The Spartan aerial now available to third parties (Toyne, etc), it simply a Spartan ERV ladder without some of the trademark Spartan design features on it.

    Not many low hosebeds this year at all.

    That's all I can think of right now...I'll try to post some select photos if there's anything that the board members would like to see.
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    BoxAlarm187,

    If I could make a request could you post the HME apparatus? I like to try and see what they have out there since I once tried to sell their line.

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    I went and registered at Firepics.net and found a thread full of pictures from FDIC. Hopefully we can elicit some discussion here, as I think we've had some decent comments ideas and perspectives in this forum from a great cross section of the U.S. Fire Service. In 27+ years I've learned that I know a bit about what I do know, and very little about those things I don't know. That is to say, sometimes we see things through the same eyes and getting another view point from outside our box helps!

    Anyone got any pics or thoughts of the 'new" E-One Metro 100? The old single axle 110 ft rearmounts were very popular in New England, and other places I suspect.

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    It looks like Seagrave Fire Apparatus did not get the bid award on about 6-8 remounted Scopes here on the east coast over the past two years, because they overbid the refurb work and Pierce Mfg got the rechassis contracts. So now they are crying and will not sell any replacement parts for a " Baker Aerialscope" boom to any other builders or do repairs to one !

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    How does one get tickets to FDIC?

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    Once registration is open for the 2014 show, visit http://www.fdic.com/index.html, or simply show up and purchase them on-site. If you want to take the classes (especially the hands-on classes) pre-registration is encouraged and/or required.

    RFDACM, go check over at Firepics...
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    What's it cost to registration on firepics? I didn't see it listed anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post

    RFDACM, go check over at Firepics...
    Great shots! Finally some Fire Truck Porn for those of us stuck at home. A few interesting pieces, I liked the looks of the Ottowa KME (albeit minus the top mount panel). Was it an optical illusion or does the new KME aerial going to Boston L17 have a cab noticeably narrower than the body? It looks like in your front-drivers side view that the Cab/Body intersection just before the front outrigger is 4 or 5"s of width change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wbensm View Post
    What's it cost to registration on firepics? I didn't see it listed anywhere.
    Man my memory is getting poor, but I'm pretty sure it was $5 a year last week when I signed up. I know it was cheaper than I expected.

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    $5 will get you registered at Firepics, which is an annual cost.

    I'll have to take a closer look at the Boston aerial. You might also take a look at one of the other recent threads there - one of the members was able to grab some photos in the factory the week before it was shown at FDIC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbridge View Post
    it looks like seagrave fire apparatus did not get the bid award on about 6-8 remounted scopes here on the east coast over the past two years, because they overbid the refurb work and pierce mfg got the rechassis contracts. So now they are crying and will not sell any replacement parts for a " baker aerialscope" boom to any other builders or do repairs to one !
    its a liability thing--once someone alters any prtion of the package--its no longer an aerialscope.

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    I am sure that if someone took a rebuilt Baker Aerialscope to a Seagrave dealer, they would order the parts and do the needed repairs for a price without calling the plant. Here in New Jersey, you can go to a Pierce, Crimson, Kme, or any fire apparatus repair company and get a Aerialscope worked on. The only thing you can not get would be " MOOG " hyd control parts !
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post

    I'll have to take a closer look at the Boston aerial. You might also take a look at one of the other recent threads there - one of the members was able to grab some photos in the factory the week before it was shown at FDIC.
    Upon inspection of the above noted photo's at Firepics.net, it was the forward most compartment door on the body that must have been open (hinge @ left). Between that hte outrigger being short jack deployed for the show, it made it look odd. Mystery solved.

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