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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Not only is Bobby narcissistic, he also exhibits sociopathic disassociation as evidenced by this post.
    Wow .. such big words.

    And yes, I do attempt to completely disassociate myself from the victims at a fire, and the patients at EMS calls.

    They are not people. They are victims and patients, and I am there to treat them and make decisions regarding them as such.

    Cold? Probably. But it keeps the emotion out of the decision making process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Pssssssssssssst .. Notice how I said 2 blockers?

    The fact is that if you look at situations where blockers, including multiple blockers, were effectily deployed, there have been a minimum of responder injuries.
    A loaded tractor trailer unit traveling at highway speed will toss a fire apparatus like a rag doll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    his kind of absolute, nonsensical, made up from the depths of your delusional mind, is exactly why I will NEVER, and I mean NEVER, stop countering the barrage of horse schitt that you spread here.

    I take that statement back, I misread the posters statement.


    Tell me where anyone here said we would enter under those conditions? Find one quote, find one, from anyone and repost it here.

    See above, I misread the posters statement.
    Sure, sure.....(cough, cough, BULL SCHITT!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Wow .. such big words.

    And yes, I do attempt to completely disassociate myself from the victims at a fire, and the patients at EMS calls.

    They are not people. They are victims and patients, and I am there to treat them and make decisions regarding them as such.

    Cold? Probably. But it keeps the emotion out of the decision making process.
    Your Bull Schitt, lies, and delusions are epic...pathetically so.
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    You are either a liar or so pathetically devoid of human emotion that you are beyond all hope. Will yu not lose one moment of sleep that hypothetical night?

    Never did I state that losing my wife or kids would not tear me up. But that does not mean that I allow my needs to save my family to rise above the needs of my firefighters to take care of their families.

    That being said, I have a responsibility to my brother firefighters families to not put my needs ahead of theirs. They do not, and never should, have an obligation to put take extraordinary risks to save MY family ahead of their ability to provide for their families.


    Blah blah blah...The odds are higher that they will when before you have even arrived on scene you have already written the structure and its contents off.

    In my volunteer district, if I am the command officer, the structure has already written itself off simply based on my extended response time, unless the occupant's have extinguished the fire prior to our arrival. It's really that simple.



    You see this is where you and I are cut from different cloth. Those on scene would have to kick my ***, or kill me, to stop me from trying to enter to save my family. You may not like that but that is how I roll. I am not going to stand by and just go "Oh well, just another fire death. No matter, I won't lose any sleep tonight over it."

    There is a difference between me taking risks and expecting my firefighters who are responsible for their families taking extraordinary risks.


    Nonsense...When we enter we enter using all of our skills, experience, and training. And we recognize when a department or the response at that incident does not possess the skills, experience and training to safely perform at that incident. You use nonsense, inability, and fear, to find excuses not to enter. No, I use identified shortcomings in training, experience and resources to identify situations where making entry, or performing actions at non-fire incidents, becomes dangerous and not supported by training, experience and resources. Risk versus reward must be our guide. And acceptable risk varies from department to department and response to response based on training, experiences, resources and command structure. If you are not willing to risk anything you are a joke, and a poison to the fire service. Could be. AND being willing to take risks does not mean you are looking to be injured or killed.

    Never said that it did.

    But I refuse to take risks "just because we are the fire department" unless they can be fully supported by training, experience, command structure and resources even if that means (in your opinion) "unacceptable" injury, death or property damage to the citizens..
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    A loaded tractor trailer unit traveling at highway speed will toss a fire apparatus like a rag doll.
    Exactly what Fryed said. Maybe down in good ol' LA vehicles pay attention on the highways, but not here in PA. It's a risk we take with the job and understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    We have discussed what a fire department should do.

    The reality is that there are many places that fire departments will never have the funding to purcahse apparatus, tools, equipment, SCBA and PPE to do this, have access to training to do this, have enough manpower physically capable of doing this or have response times that make this possible.

    You can say should ... should .. should ... all day long but it's not going to change the reality.
    And I have acknowledged that reality, in fact I even stated such in the post you quoted for this comment. I guess you missed that.

    By the way, do you have any name suggestions?
    You looking to rename one or both of your departments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Pretty easy .... Put a blocking vehicle, or maybe evn two blocking vehicles to block the working lanes.

    Or maybe even shut down the highway.

    The primary source of risk is easily identifiable, and correctable.
    Maybe you don't realize that responders are still getting injured and/or killed even when using blocker vehicles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Pssssssssssssst .. Notice how I said 2 blockers?

    The fact is that if you look at situations where blockers, including multiple blockers, were effectily deployed, there have been a minimum of responder injuries.
    The fact is, if you look at situations where Firefighters were effectively deployed for interior operations, there have been a minimum of responder injuries too.

    Notice how I said Firefighters, not fire watchers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You are either a liar or so pathetically devoid of human emotion that you are beyond all hope. Will yu not lose one moment of sleep that hypothetical night?

    Never did I state that losing my wife or kids would not tear me up. But that does not mean that I allow my needs to save my family to rise above the needs of my firefighters to take care of their families.

    That being said, I have a responsibility to my brother firefighters families to not put my needs ahead of theirs. They do not, and never should, have an obligation to put take extraordinary risks to save MY family ahead of their ability to provide for their families.


    Seriously, it is the job of, and even more so, the duty of, firefighters to take calculated risks in the course of their duties. I could explain that to you ONCE AGAIN, but why bother? You have proven repeatedly that you are incapable of understanding that incredibly simple concept.

    Blah blah blah...The odds are higher that they will when before you have even arrived on scene you have already written the structure and its contents off.

    In my volunteer district, if I am the command officer, the structure has already written itself off simply based on my extended response time, unless the occupant's have extinguished the fire prior to our arrival. It's really that simple.


    Bull Schitt, nonsense, and just another example of your total and undeniable complete lack of anything close to YOU being an actual fire officer, let alone a firefighter.

    Suppose it is another stove fire? You know the kind your chief violates all the safety rules you preach about. You know, one that can be extinguished with a dry chem fire extinguisher. If you were in command would that fire have led to a total loss of that home? Never mind I already know the answer.

    More pathetic nonsense from you.


    You see this is where you and I are cut from different cloth. Those on scene would have to kick my ***, or kill me, to stop me from trying to enter to save my family. You may not like that but that is how I roll. I am not going to stand by and just go "Oh well, just another fire death. No matter, I won't lose any sleep tonight over it."

    There is a difference between me taking risks and expecting my firefighters who are responsible for their families taking extraordinary risks.


    There is a difference. YOU WOULDN'T TAKE THOSE RISKS, AND THOSE THERE COULDN'T STOP ME FROM TAKING THEM.

    Nonsense...When we enter we enter using all of our skills, experience, and training.

    And we recognize when a department or the response at that incident does not possess the skills, experience and training to safely perform at that incident.

    Yet you do little to nothing except make excuses to change that in your VFD.

    You use nonsense, inability, and fear, to find excuses not to enter.

    No, I use identified shortcomings in training, experience and resources to identify situations where making entry, or performing actions at non-fire incidents, becomes dangerous and not supported by training, experience and resources.

    And excuses are your best friend.

    Risk versus reward must be our guide.

    And acceptable risk varies from department to department and response to response based on training, experiences, resources and command structure.

    And you keep saying that, and yet after the time you have been on your volly FD nothing has really changed in that area...

    If you are not willing to risk anything you are a joke, and a poison to the fire service.

    Could be.

    Actually, there is no doubt about it.

    AND being willing to take risks does not mean you are looking to be injured or killed.

    Never said that it did.

    Yes, you have, with your absolute nonsense equating it to running into fully involved, collapsing structures.

    But I refuse to take risks "just because we are the fire department" unless they can be fully supported by training, experience, command structure and resources even if that means (in your opinion) "unacceptable" injury, death or property damage to the citizens..

    You are right, injury or death to citizens is unacceptable to me. Is it a reality? YES IT IS. But just like you refuse to accept any injuries or deaths of firefighters as a possibility, I refuse to coldly and callously not feel anything at all when it occurs. I NEVER want to be that person. The one who feels nothing, yawns and falls back asleep like nothing ever happened. No Bobby, I don't carry them forever, I couldn't. But I don't make my mind pretend they were nothing, like yesterday's trash either.
    Just more of your indefensible horse schitt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    If you think that we should be entering buildings with near heavily to fully involved, near backdraft conditions and/or obviously imminent or ongoing structural collapse, you, my friend ar a complete idiot and hope that you never get anywhere near anywhere of my men.
    Are you ****ing dense? NOT ONE TIME has anyone EVER said we should make an interior attack on what you just described.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm1524 View Post
    Are you ****ing dense? NOT ONE TIME has anyone EVER said we should make an interior attack on what you just described.
    Yes, YES HE IS!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Pssssssssssssst .. Notice how I said 2 blockers?

    The fact is that if you look at situations where blockers, including multiple blockers, were effectily deployed, there have been a minimum of responder injuries.
    So, through proper training and having good situational awareness you can mitigate most of the risk of a MVA? Hmmm..... I wonder what other activities firefighters engage in that could use those techniques. I am amazed that you believe that you can make a MVA almost perfectly safe, I call BS. I believe that the citizens wont let you let people rot away on the hiways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm1524 View Post
    Are you ****ing dense? NOT ONE TIME has anyone EVER said we should make an interior attack on what you just described.
    I just happened to be looking at this picture on Facebook before I read your post haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    And yes, my wife knows how I feel about risking firefighter's lives.
    That's not exactly what I asked, and you damn well know it.

    Does your wife know that you have essentially given your department the OK to let her be overcome by smoke and fire and perish in your home should it catch fire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Wow .. such big words.

    And yes, I do attempt to completely disassociate myself from the victims at a fire, and the patients at EMS calls.

    They are not people. They are victims and patients, and I am there to treat them and make decisions regarding them as such.

    Cold? Probably. But it keeps the emotion out of the decision making process.
    Those were big words. Did you have to look them up?

    I think in a way, we ALL disassociate ourselves from the victims at a fire, and the patients at EMS calls.

    HOWEVER, just because we disassociate ourselves to make the hardship of someone dying easier, it does NOT mean that we just simply don't act.

    What YOU do, and your thought process, is absolutely 100% cold. There's a difference between keeping the emotion out of it, and just being a cold-hearted bastard who doesn't give a schitt whether someone lives or dies.

    You are a cold-hearted disgrace to the fire service, and anyone who signs up to any organization for any reason to help people. You are in it for your own twisted personal reasons, and that doesn't include helping anyone, ever, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanK63 View Post
    I just happened to be looking at this picture on Facebook before I read your post haha

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    Originally Posted by LaFireEducator
    Wow .. such big words.

    And yes, I do attempt to completely disassociate myself from the victims at a fire, and the patients at EMS calls.

    They are not people.
    This is even more proof of sociopathic disassociation.

    They are victims and patients, and I am there to treat them and make decisions regarding them as such.
    What "decisions"?
    In your mind, you have already made it the moment you got the call... and your call is "screw 'em, I am more important". They didn't have a properly working smoke detector, "not my problem". They used an improper extension cord? "Not my problem". A child is trapped in a burning car? "Not my problem".


    Cold? Probably. But it keeps the emotion out of the decision making process.
    if the people that you work with and the "they are not people" (your words, not mine) you allegedly"protect" ever read the bovine scat you post here, they would fire you from both of your FDs and run you out of town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    That's not exactly what I asked, and you damn well know it.

    Does your wife know that you have essentially given your department the OK to let her be overcome by smoke and fire and perish in your home should it catch fire?
    The reality is that my home department is much more capable than my volunteer department.

    Is that a slam on my VFD? No.

    My combo department where I live has paid staff, including myself. We have 6x the volunteers plus more support members. We have 10x the budget. We have significant greater training resources, and we have much better access to mutual aid with interior capabilities. We also have, in most cases, better response times.

    Funny thing is that I don't have the power to give or not give permission to my combo department to act in one way or another. There's no doubt that if they know she is inside they will, command will order, and members more than likely,will take actions that I would consider overly aggressive and IMO, dangerous to the personnel.

    And if one of them gets hurt I will likely have issues with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    So, through proper training and having good situational awareness you can mitigate most of the risk of a MVA? Hmmm..... I wonder what other activities firefighters engage in that could use those techniques. I am amazed that you believe that you can make a MVA almost perfectly safe, I call BS. I believe that the citizens wont let you let people rot away on the hiways.
    Never said that you can make an MVA perfectly safe, but it is certainly easier to reduce the risk of firefighter death or injury at an MVA than it is at a working structure fire.
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