I believe there are monsters born in the world to human parents. Some you can see, misshapen and horrible, with huge heads or tiny bodies. . . . And just as there are physical monsters, can there not be mental or psychic monsters born? The face and body may be perfect, but if a twisted gene or a malformed egg can produce physical monsters, may not the same process produce a malformed soul?
Ever read east of Eden by steinbeck ?
One more from the same book
I believe that there is one story in the world, and only one. . . . Humans are caught—in their lives, in their thoughts, in their hungers and ambitions, in their avarice and cruelty, and in their kindness and generosity too—in a net of good and evil. . . . There is no other story. A man, after he has brushed off the dust and chips of his life, will have left only the hard, clean questions: Was it good or was it evil? Have I done well—or ill?
Uhhhh...... Sometimes I read guns and ammo and firefighting magazines. My wife tried to get me to read Men are from Mars Women are from Venus but it did not have any pictures so I gave up.
And we STILL fight fire more aggressively than EITHER of your departments, because we seem to have a couple things that you lack. A brain, a heart, and courage. So stop trying to sugarcoat your safety brand of bullschit, and just say you don't give a damn about the citizens or the community, and it's all about wearing a t-shirt, riding in a big truck, pretending to be a firefighter, and stroking that delicate little ego of yours.
Of course this is all you have to say because writing off building before you arrive, and writing off buildings simply because of construction type, with no other information is simply indefensible.
No....... I'm simply tired of discussing why certain buildings kill firefighters, and why it's perfectly acceptable to not make entry..
it is just another excuse for your inaction.
So the only officer responding takes 18-20 minutes to arrive on scene, as an example vs. 8 or 9, and you are saying that 's not a factor on the outcome of the incident, especially when the non-officers have almost zero command experience less one or two?
To me this is just another example of how pathetic your volly FD is. You have a policy that your vollies can't act without an officer on location and sometimes, as you have admitted, there may be no officer at all responding. So what do they do? Show up, stand around and then leave when the place burns down?
There is no policy where the firefighters can't act without an officer. None. They can call for mutual aid. They can initiate action. Here's the problem ... They have very little experience at doing that at building fires as we get so few. The other issue is if there are no officers, the response is generally quite minimal so there is a limited number of actions they can take.
We want them to take action. We want them to establish command and take charge, and we try to train them to do such time permitting by placing them in that role at drill. Problem is ,,,,, experience and opportunity.
More excuses to not even TRY to save your wife...Pathetic.
And exactly where did I say that I would not try to save her? Why don't you quote it for me.
Which under your instruction will be never.
Unfortunately, safe operations are limited due to the fact that outside of the village and the core area, we encounter very few structure fires where it is safe enough to make entry. When we have a situation where they can safely make entry, and we have the resources to support that, we will.
And yet they still can't go interior, they still have to wait for an officer to arrive who may not arrive at all, and you see no point in which any of that will be resolved.
And where did I say that they cannot go interior? They are all interior qualified if they have completed the rookie class.
And they certainly can go interior if an officer is not on-scene, dependant on manpower and fire conditions.
Again .... the problem is often either not enough manpower to do so safely or fire conditions that do not allow it.
Yep, a complete lack of appropriate human emotions is a definite sign of mental illness.
So what emotions would you likely to display exactly?
150k may not be a lot when (if) you are responsible for purchasing/maintaining your own apparatus.
In addition, if you are run by the city, they may very well pay for your workman's comp, liability insurance and vehicle insurance as well as some other admin costs that we may have to budget for.
Some cities also pay for fuel and work done on the vehicles at the city shop.
so Lafe, did fairfax county, va do wrong with this one? It was vacant.
News Release 13-56
Date: May 20, 2013
Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Department units responded to a building fire, Saturday, May 18, 2013, at approximately 10:25 a.m., in the Dunn Loring area of Fairfax County. The building, George C. Marshall High School is located at 7731 Leesburg Pike. Firefighters reported smoke coming from the school upon arrival. Firefighters conducted an aggressive fire attack and brought the fire under control in approximately 10 minutes.
Five individuals working in the school were treated at the scene, not transported. Fire alarms activated, however, sprinklers did not activate because it was a flash fire only. According to fire investigators the cause is undetermined.
Damage is estimated at $20,000.00
School will open Monday on schedule.
I stated that I would not die trying to save her. And I certainly don't expect any of my brothers to die trying to save her either.
Nor would I expect them to die trying to save any other civilian, and as an IC or even a crew supervisor it's my responsibility to make sure that they are NEVER put in that position for anyone.
I have the responsibility to bring them back to their famalies after every run.
You may be shocked to know this, we took an oath and considered it our job.
You on the other hand are one of those who works harder at finding ways to get out of working.
I'm glad to have worked with individuals who took the job seriously and not idiots like yourself.