My volunteers at my VFD don't need FFI and FFII at the rookie level. Hell, they don't even need FFI.
Locally developed training does just fine at the rookie level.
When you feel that you can prove otherwise, we'll have a discussion.
You can't train enough guys, or get enough guys to show up to make an interior attack, but you have enough guys trained to the Fire Investigator level to justify a task force dedicated to it?
You're ****ing kidding me right? When the whole house is destroyed, laying in ashes in the basement, what exactly are you going to investigate?
NO WAIT! Seriously, you can't find enough hours for guys wih lives outside the firehouse, you know jobs, family, hunting, drinking, sports, whatever, to attend enough training to become proficient firefighters but they can find the time to become fire investigators? OH MY GOD!! That is F***ING Hysterical!! They can't find the time to learn how to fight fire, but they can fnd the time to learn how to sift through the ashes of yet another burned downed home to find the cause of the fire... There is no way you actually think about what you write here or reread it before you post it. Frankly, this makes you look like the biggest buffoon on the face of the planet.
But anyways, thanks for the great laugh.
Frankly, to me it is absolutely idiotic, and counterproductive, to even ponder creating an advance skills task force when you constantly **** and moan about the lack of basic trained interior capable firefighters.
LA, I don't even know which of your moronic posts to quote, so I'm not even going to bother.
Please explain to me, how in the hell will you start a fire investigation task force, but not train members to FF1 or higher? Do you and your departments enjoy saving foundations? Do you figure since you and your crew aren't trained and refuse to go interior, that you can look important by attempting to investigate a cause? There might be something left to investigate if you grew a set and did some real work instead of standing around with your thumb up your ***. Will you please for the love of Saint Florian, quit the fire service. Right now, go hand in all your gear and never return to another fire house as long as you live. You would do the whole fire service a huge favor by doing that. You should not be able to infect the minds of anyone with your "we don't go interior" horse ****.
God damn I need a beer.
Yes, we have some members with advanced skills and experience, generally garnered from their full-time gigs as firefighters on career departments, and some of them have or could get FI. It's really not that tough to grasp.
So you are saying that the members with advanced training should not progress?
This will be a cause and origin task force.
There are probably less than 20-30 FDs in LA that have post-certified investigators, and they are all in all-career departments to the best of my knowledge.
The vast majority of the departments, including most of the combo departments, and even some smaller career departments, utilize the State Fire Marshal's Office once they believe the fire may be arson.
Much like the Fire Inspectors, Investigators operate under the umbrella of the State Fire Marshal's Office, so it' s very arduous process to be certified through them and then meet their continuing education requirements.
By law, the state investigators need to be called to any fatal fire, multi-injury fire or large loss fires outside of an an incorporated city, so they will be coming anyway for any significant fire. This task force would be for the small stuff either to cover a department's investigator that may be unavailable or as an additional resource if he/she feels he needs another set of eyes.
And again, this is in my volunteer parish, not my combo parish, in which the Sheriff would not allow any post-certified fire investigators anyway.
Your task force reminds me of the guy that wants brand new tools on the job , yet cant read a tape or drive a nail. You master the basics and then move on to the "advanced" stuff.
But again , I guess this is one more reason for these guys to continue to call themselves firefighters.