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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    1. Disagree
    2. You have no idea how that makes my day.
    1. Of course you do. You are so freaking obtuse, your picture is next to the definition of the word in Merriam Webster's Unabridged Dictionary.

    2. Small things amuse small minds, as Stan Lee of Marvel Comics would say, "e'nuff said!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I'd rather take 6 yahoos like Gonzo with a 1950 500 gpm front mount pumper than an entirely staffed FD of LAs with modern equipment. WHY? Because odds are we will save the building while you will save the remains for your Fire Investigation task for to sift through.
    Ditto, Brother, ditto.

    There are guys I 'd accompany through the gates of hell with nothing but a garden hose; I wouldn't approach a campfire with LAFE even if he had the old FDNY SuperPumper system behind him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Yet you cry, and cry, and cry, about a lack of qualified, trained, and experienced firefighters to do interior firefighting.

    You can't even keep track of your own lies.
    What am I lying about now?

    Most of the departments in tmy volunteer parish does have 3-4 members with a FFI cert or greater, but the other members do not. There are a couple that may only have 1 member with FFI.

    Most of them have those certs via full-time employment as firefighters elsewhere.

    Those 3-4 per most departments would be candidates for the team if they wanted to take the class and certify. In fact, a few of them already have Fire Investigator certification.

    My VFD has 4 officers, and currently 3 firefighters with FFI or greater. We have another 2 firefighters who are taking the LSU FETI on-line class and likely will be testing in the next few months.

    With the exception of the officers, none of the other mentioned have any significant experience interior besides a few training burns and at most 1 actual fire w/ interior operations. So yes, we have probably more guys with FFI than any other VFD in the parish, but they lack experience and yes, I am very hesitant to send them interior without an officer being available because of that.

    I don't cry. I understand that's the way it is and I accept it, and I understand that because of the experience issues, and response issues, we have minimal interior attack abilities and quite honestly, likely always will. That's not crying. That's knowing what we can and cannot do. That is simply the nature of the fire service in rural LA.

    You are the one that seems to think that i should feel guilty about not being able to deliver YOUR IDEA of fire protection to the residents. Again, that's not my problem and I'm not going to lose sleep over it. they are perfectly aware that there are cost and consequences to living a rural environment, and marginal fire protection that may or may not be able to provide interior operations is one of those costs.

    I have no idea what that our problem in being able to constantly operate interior has to do with being part of a parish-wide fire investigation team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Excellent. The citizens are safe.

    Actually it's more than likely everybody that would be on the team already owns multiple weapons. Well, with the exception of me.



    So there's no work involved.

    Really, so C & A investigations don't involve any work?


    Even the sheriff knows you're a joke and governs accordingly. Good for him.
    Note to YOU ,,,,, AGAIN ....The team would be in my volunteer parish.

    There is no by either the fire departments or the prospective members of the team becoming post certified and having law enforcement powers. The time simply does not exist on a volunteer basis either for the training or the time involves with criminal arson investigations.

    That is the role of the State Fire Marshal's Office and the Sheriff's Office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I'd rather take 6 yahoos like Gonzo with a 1950 500 gpm front mount pumper than an entirely staffed FD of LAs with modern equipment. WHY? Because odds are we will save the building while you will save the remains for your Fire Investigation task for to sift through.

    I don't doubt it makes your day since you are a pathological narcissistic personality. It doesn't matter to you and your warped sense of right and wrong whether the attention is good or bad, you just want someone, anyone, to pay attention to you. I bet your mom had to paint you with gravy to get you dog to spend time with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Ditto, Brother, ditto.

    There are guys I 'd accompany through the gates of hell with nothing but a garden hose; I wouldn't approach a campfire with LAFE even if he had the old FDNY SuperPumper system behind him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
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    Did your backbone fall out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
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    Feeling extra cowardly today?

    EDIT:

    I just realized something.... LA, you encompass all of the characters in the Wizard of Oz...

    Dorothy: Just wants to go home...
    Tin man: Has no heart...
    Scarecrow: Has no brain...
    Lion: Has no courage....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
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    Come on Bobby...show some stones and post your reply to me.. I need a good laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    Feeling extra cowardly today?

    EDIT:

    I just realized something.... LA, you encompass all of the characters in the Wizard of Oz...

    Dorothy: Just wants to go home...
    Tin man: Has no heart...
    Scarecrow: Has no brain...
    Lion: Has no courage....
    "You could wail upon the siren, house just struck by lightnin'
    Stopping for the rain.
    And your head, would be itchin'
    while the fire consumes the kitchen,
    If you only had a brain."

    "When the fire is a-blazin, I find it quite amazin',
    That LA's standing in the yard .
    Just because I'm presumin' that you're somewhat sub-human,
    If you only had heart."

    "I'm afraid there's no denyin' you're just a dandelion,
    Out standing in the yard.
    I'd could brave a structure fire....
    The public would admire...
    If you only had the nerve"
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Note to YOU ,,,,, AGAIN ....The team would be in my volunteer parish.

    There is no by either the fire departments or the prospective members of the team becoming post certified and having law enforcement powers. The time simply does not exist on a volunteer basis either for the training or the time involves with criminal arson investigations.

    That is the role of the State Fire Marshal's Office and the Sheriff's Office.
    So what? They're still jokes if they are anything like you.

    Who cares about the number of certs they've received. Training is useless when one has no intention of ever using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    What am I lying about now?

    Well, other than almost everything, nothing else.

    Most of the departments in tmy volunteer parish does have 3-4 members with a FFI cert or greater, but the other members do not. There are a couple that may only have 1 member with FFI.

    So once again, you find value in FF1 Certification, as long as someone else pays for it. But not enough value to make it an inhouse option at your volly FD.

    Most of them have those certs via full-time employment as firefighters elsewhere..

    So thanks to someone else paying for it your volly FD gets the benefit of it. Nice...real nice. Keep on keeping those vollies down because the last thing you want is them educated. It would make you seem less the expert you like to play that you are.

    Those 3-4 per most departments would be candidates for the team if they wanted to take the class and certify. In fact, a few of them already have Fire Investigator certification.

    Yepper...get them certified to investigate the fires you don't want them to fight. makes sense to you I suppose.

    My VFD has 4 officers, and currently 3 firefighters with FFI or greater. We have another 2 firefighters who are taking the LSU FETI on-line class and likely will be testing in the next few months.

    WOW! I am impressed...if you only saw value in it maybe more would be interested in becoming FF1.

    With the exception of the officers, none of the other mentioned have any significant experience interior besides a few training burns and at most 1 actual fire w/ interior operations. So yes, we have probably more guys with FFI than any other VFD in the parish, but they lack experience and yes, I am very hesitant to send them interior without an officer being available because of that.

    Let me ask you a question. You say you have these career guys that volly on your VFD, why can't they enter these structure fires with your less experienced guys and help them get experience? Because frankly, your way of keeping the rookies out NEVER gets them any experience. You see in order to get experience you actually have to do something besides stand out in the front yard.

    I don't cry. I understand that's the way it is and I accept it, and I understand that because of the experience issues, and response issues, we have minimal interior attack abilities and quite honestly, likely always will. That's not crying. That's knowing what we can and cannot do. That is simply the nature of the fire service in rural LA.

    No it's crying. Because one minute out of one side of yur mouth you don't have enough experienced interior firefighters and in the next minute out of the other side you are yapping about an advanced skills Fire Investigation Task Force with all of these FF1 trained firefighters. So if you have all of these FF1's let them do what they trained to do and fight fire. Stop crying about manpower shortages and start doing the job.

    You are the one that seems to think that i should feel guilty about not being able to deliver YOUR IDEA of fire protection to the residents. Again, that's not my problem and I'm not going to lose sleep over it. they are perfectly aware that there are cost and consequences to living a rural environment, and marginal fire protection that may or may not be able to provide interior operations is one of those costs.

    I wouldn't expect you to lose sleep over anything since you have repeated proven what a callous, cold blooded, heartless, son of a bitch you are. When you can say something as cold and calculating as I can write off victims and not lose one second of sleep over it you are beyond redemption.

    I have no idea what that our problem in being able to constantly operate interior has to do with being part of a parish-wide fire investigation team.

    Well ya see skippy, most people look at training people to put the fire out being a wee bit more important than sifting through the smoldering remains of yet another house you refused to go interior on looking for the cause. But hey, you have proven fire fighting convention and norms mean nothing to you.
    Just laughing at you once again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    Did your backbone fall out?
    You have to have one for it to fall out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Warped sense of right and wrong?
    Yep. When you can write off victims, and "Lose no sleep over it," your sense of right and wrong is so totally F***ED up beyond all sense of what is right and wrong that yes, your view is warped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    "You could wail upon the siren, house just struck by lightnin'
    Stopping for the rain.
    And your head, would be itchin'
    while the fire consumes the kitchen,
    If you only had a brain."

    "When the fire is a-blazin, I find it quite amazin',
    That LA's standing in the yard .
    Just because I'm presumin' that you're somewhat sub-human,
    If you only had heart."

    "I'm afraid there's no denyin' you're just a dandelion,
    Out standing in the yard.
    I'd could brave a structure fire....
    The public would admire...
    If you only had the nerve"
    Now that, is FUNNY.

    Untrue, but damn funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Let me ask you a question. You say you have these career guys that volly on your VFD, why can't they enter these structure fires with your less experienced guys and help them get experience?
    If NOTHING else in your post get's answered by LA, I want this point addressed.

    LA, you claim to have these career members. You claim to have volunteers with limited experience... Other than your personal reasons of having to feel superior to everyone else on the fire ground, WHY aren't these career guys taking the inexperienced volunteers in? Why? Isn't, ya know, actually fighting fire, with more experienced guys offering guidance, in fact the best way to gain that experience you claim your members don't have?
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    So once again, you find value in FF1 Certification, as long as someone else pays for it. But not enough value to make it an inhouse option at your volly FD.

    Really? Did you happen to read that two of our members are in the process of taking the LSU on-line FFI. That costs about $150 person. The one that just tested and passed also took the on-line class, at $150.

    We would also send them to class if they wanted.

    We simply don''t have enough members to make it efficient from a time standpoint to teach it in-house. I would be more than happy to do it if there were 4 or 5 that were willing to take it on nights other than scheduled training, which we need for operational, not certification-targeted
    training.

    So thanks to someone else paying for it your volly FD gets the benefit of it. Nice...real nice. Keep on keeping those vollies down because the last thing you want is them educated. It would make you seem less the expert you like to play that you are.

    Again, more than happy to pay for it if they want it to take it on-line. more than happy to pay for them to take a class if it's not on a training night. Even more than happy to teach it on non-training nights if I could get 3 -5 to make a commitment to it. Bottom line is there simply isn't enough value in FFI for rookies to teach it on a training night where we need to focus on operational, not certification, training.


    Yepper...get them certified to investigate the fires you don't want them to fight. makes sense to you I suppose.

    Ya, that's right. I have stated so many times that I don't want them fighting fires.

    Psssstt .. Even operating defensive from the get go is still fighting fires.



    WOW! I am impressed...if you only saw value in it maybe more would be interested in becoming FF1.

    Funny thing I tell them it has value which is dependent on how much a department would use it. That's why we pay for the classes as we see it has value AFTER they have completed a department specific rookie class.


    Let me ask you a question. You say you have these career guys that volly on your VFD, why can't they enter these structure fires with your less experienced guys and help them get experience? Because frankly, your way of keeping the rookies out NEVER gets them any experience. You see in order to get experience you actually have to do something besides stand out in the front yard.

    All of our career members are our officers ... which is why I stated that "unless there is an officer available to make entry with the less experienced members".

    I refuse to view a structure fire as a training experience unless the structure is still stable and fire is manageable enough to fulfill a training role, and there is enough experienced members on-scene to provide enough supervision to have a fairly safe environment. When both of those are present, yes, the newer members can make entry to get experience.


    No it's crying. Because one minute out of one side of yur mouth you don't have enough experienced interior firefighters and in the next minute out of the other side you are yapping about an advanced skills Fire Investigation Task Force with all of these FF1 trained firefighters. So if you have all of these FF1's let them do what they trained to do and fight fire. Stop crying about manpower shortages and start doing the job.

    Only takes one member from each department to develop an Arson Investigation task Force. In the case of my VFD, we'll provide 2 as my Captain is already an FI. A parish our size, excluding the small city, we could easily have an effective team with 6-8 Investigators (4 on each end of the parish).

    I'm not crying about my interior manpower. What we have is par for the course in the rural areas of LA. In fact, it's actually better than some. We provide what protection we can, which means inconsistent and marginal interior capabilities, but that is the hand that we have been dealt. While responding I plan defensive, and if it happens to be a call where we get enough interior qualified folks, or MA arrives quickly, and fire conditions that allow entry, I MAY switch gears to offensive or transitional on arrival.



    I wouldn't expect you to lose sleep over anything since you have repeated proven what a callous, cold blooded, heartless, son of a bitch you are. When you can say something as cold and calculating as I can write off victims and not lose one second of sleep over it you are beyond redemption.

    You call it writing off. I call it simply realizing what we are capable of of. We deal with the hand we have been dealt, and I fully recognize that response times, travel times and manpower tie one hand behind our back before we start. Those are things that we cannot change. People in this area generally choose where they live and many have chosen to move out of the city to our rural area to escape taxes or own more land, and with that comes a lower level of police and fire protection. I will not allow my members to get hurt operating a fire because somebody has made a choice. Yes, we want to help in thier time of need, but after the fire is over the wife and kids are counting on Dad still bringing a full paycheck home.

    I don't have time to worry about things that i have no power to change.


    That is my primary concern.

    if you want to call that writing off victims, so be it.



    Well ya see skippy, most people look at training people to put the fire out being a wee bit more important than sifting through the smoldering remains of yet another house you refused to go interior on looking for the cause. But hey, you have proven fire fighting convention and norms mean nothing to you.

    And so do we.

    What does having members who already have FFI, and in most cases FFII, and generally several years of experience and follow-up training (and sometimes other certs like Instructor and Officer) and forming a Fire Investigation team have to do with not training new members?

    Of course, you are also assuming that members who are not specifically being trained to pass FFI/FFII like trick monkeys aren't being adequately trained either.

    After all, we all know that unless they have that nice piece of paper they aren't real firefighters.



    I have no idea how training new members has any connection to taking trained experienced members for fire investigation.
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    So once again, you find value in FF1 Certification, as long as someone else pays for it. But not enough value to make it an inhouse option at your volly FD.

    Really? Did you happen to read that two of our members are in the process of taking the LSU on-line FFI. That costs about $150 person. The one that just tested and passed also took the on-line class, at $150.

    We would also send them to class if they wanted.

    We simply don''t have enough members to make it efficient from a time standpoint to teach it in-house. I would be more than happy to do it if there were 4 or 5 that were willing to take it on nights other than scheduled training, which we need for operational, not certification-targeted
    training.

    So thanks to someone else paying for it your volly FD gets the benefit of it. Nice...real nice. Keep on keeping those vollies down because the last thing you want is them educated. It would make you seem less the expert you like to play that you are.

    Again, more than happy to pay for it if they want it to take it on-line. more than happy to pay for them to take a class if it's not on a training night. Even more than happy to teach it on non-training nights if I could get 3 -5 to make a commitment to it. Bottom line is there simply isn't enough value in FFI for rookies to teach it on a training night where we need to focus on operational, not certification, training.


    Yepper...get them certified to investigate the fires you don't want them to fight. makes sense to you I suppose.

    Ya, that's right. I have stated so many times that I don't want them fighting fires.

    Psssstt .. Even operating defensive from the get go is still fighting fires.



    WOW! I am impressed...if you only saw value in it maybe more would be interested in becoming FF1.

    Funny thing I tell them it has value which is dependent on how much a department would use it. That's why we pay for the classes as we see it has value AFTER they have completed a department specific rookie class.


    Let me ask you a question. You say you have these career guys that volly on your VFD, why can't they enter these structure fires with your less experienced guys and help them get experience? Because frankly, your way of keeping the rookies out NEVER gets them any experience. You see in order to get experience you actually have to do something besides stand out in the front yard.

    All of our career members are our officers ... which is why I stated that "unless there is an officer available to make entry with the less experienced members".

    I refuse to view a structure fire as a training experience unless the structure is still stable and fire is manageable enough to fulfill a training role, and there is enough experienced members on-scene to provide enough supervision to have a fairly safe environment. When both of those are present, yes, the newer members can make entry to get experience.


    No it's crying. Because one minute out of one side of yur mouth you don't have enough experienced interior firefighters and in the next minute out of the other side you are yapping about an advanced skills Fire Investigation Task Force with all of these FF1 trained firefighters. So if you have all of these FF1's let them do what they trained to do and fight fire. Stop crying about manpower shortages and start doing the job.

    Only takes one member from each department to develop an Arson Investigation task Force. In the case of my VFD, we'll provide 2 as my Captain is already an FI. A parish our size, excluding the small city, we could easily have an effective team with 6-8 Investigators (4 on each end of the parish).

    I'm not crying about my interior manpower. What we have is par for the course in the rural areas of LA. In fact, it's actually better than some. We provide what protection we can, which means inconsistent and marginal interior capabilities, but that is the hand that we have been dealt. While responding I plan defensive, and if it happens to be a call where we get enough interior qualified folks, or MA arrives quickly, and fire conditions that allow entry, I MAY switch gears to offensive or transitional on arrival.



    I wouldn't expect you to lose sleep over anything since you have repeated proven what a callous, cold blooded, heartless, son of a bitch you are. When you can say something as cold and calculating as I can write off victims and not lose one second of sleep over it you are beyond redemption.

    You call it writing off. I call it simply realizing what we are capable of of. We deal with the hand we have been dealt, and I fully recognize that response times, travel times and manpower tie one hand behind our back before we start. Those are things that we cannot change. People in this area generally choose where they live and many have chosen to move out of the city to our rural area to escape taxes or own more land, and with that comes a lower level of police and fire protection. I will not allow my members to get hurt operating a fire because somebody has made a choice. Yes, we want to help in thier time of need, but after the fire is over the wife and kids are counting on Dad still bringing a full paycheck home.

    I don't have time to worry about things that i have no power to change.


    That is my primary concern.

    if you want to call that writing off victims, so be it.



    Well ya see skippy, most people look at training people to put the fire out being a wee bit more important than sifting through the smoldering remains of yet another house you refused to go interior on looking for the cause. But hey, you have proven fire fighting convention and norms mean nothing to you.

    And so do we.

    What does having members who already have FFI, and in most cases FFII, and generally several years of experience and follow-up training (and sometimes other certs like Instructor and Officer) and forming a Fire Investigation team have to do with not training new members?

    Of course, you are also assuming that members who are not specifically being trained to pass FFI/FFII like trick monkeys aren't being adequately trained either.

    After all, we all know that unless they have that nice piece of paper they aren't real firefighters.



    I have no idea how training new members has any connection to taking trained experienced members for fire investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    If NOTHING else in your post get's answered by LA, I want this point addressed.

    LA, you claim to have these career members. You claim to have volunteers with limited experience... Other than your personal reasons of having to feel superior to everyone else on the fire ground, WHY aren't these career guys taking the inexperienced volunteers in? Why? Isn't, ya know, actually fighting fire, with more experienced guys offering guidance, in fact the best way to gain that experience you claim your members don't have?
    First of all, we do very few structural runs.

    Typical year for us we will do 1-2 structure fires in the district. There is a good chance that both of those, if we get 2, will be fully involved with no entry possible simply due to the travel times due to the size of our district (100 square miles).

    We may do 2-3 more mutual aid fires and most, if not all of them will be exterior only as well.

    So we go to very few fires where entry is even an option.

    Secondly, all of our career guys are our 4 officers. Typical fire will get one officer responding. At night, we may get two depending on what Shift is working (Chief is shift at Shreveport Fire Communications and Asst. Chief and Captain are on the same shift at neighboring city. I am basically unavailable weekdays except for large events and work Saturdays out of town.).

    If only one officer responds, he is obviously command and remains exterior per policy.

    If there is a second officer, or on very rare occasions, a third, the officer not functioning as IC can go in with newer members, unless we need them to oversee and exterior sector or need to place them in role of safety or operations due to the size of the incident.

    In a perfect world, we could have our experienced members fulfill those roles, but the problem is they are officers and may need to remain exterior to fulfill critical ICS/NIMS functions, especially given that typical response is 1-2.

    On my combo department we have 7-8 career members who volunteer, so along with the career firefighters, they do fulfill that function.
    Last edited by LaFireEducator; 05-11-2013 at 08:28 PM.
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