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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    My one concern is those types of apartments is the covered breezeway.. they don't always have firestops. A fire as well off as this one has probably taken the attic above the apartment and if there is no separation the breezeway could be compromised. Can't become complacent just because it's "outside".
    How common is it for an apartment with a breezeway like that to NOT have a fire stop built in the attic space? We don't have any apartment complexes with breezeways like that in either departments district.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjak View Post
    I went out of my way to indicate that I wasn't trying to attack or insult you, yet you appear to have been insulted anyway. I'm not sure why.
    It is not necessary to present your experience or training credentials. The fact that you were fairly seriously burned while acting as an instructor at a training session tells me plenty about your experience and credentials, or lack thereof.
    The fact you missed, you pompous know it all horse's azz, is the student, while failing to do what I told him to, not once but twice, was uninjured and neither were any of the other students. In that kind of circumstance I would much rather ensure they were safe, and take a little punishment myself, than the inverse. A concept I am sure would be foreign to a guy like you.

    Frankly, you are nothing to me but another newbie trying to make his bones. So good luck with that.

    By the way, where are you a Captain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    How common is it for an apartment with a breezeway like that to NOT have a fire stop built in the attic space? We don't have any apartment complexes with breezeways like that in either departments district.
    I can't speak to commonality.. all I know is we had a similar fire last year in a building with common attics and breezeway. It surprised me as I had assumed fire code would require some sort of separation between apartments and common areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    I can't speak to commonality.. all I know is we had a similar fire last year in a building with common attics and breezeway. It surprised me as I had assumed fire code would require some sort of separation between apartments and common areas.
    I'll have to drive around our districts just to double check, and to hopefully learn something if I do find one.

    About 5 years ago now, I lived in a quad-plex apartment building. Two on top, with two directly below. The downstairs apartment I lived in had drop ceiling. I was up in the ceiling one day looking for something, and I noticed there was absolutely NO fire stop between my apartment and the adjacent lower apartment. The wall didn't even go all the way up to the floor of the upper apartments. The framework extended all the way from bottom to top, and the wall for the lower apartments stopped about 2" above the drop ceiling, so there were large gaps in between the framework, where if one of the apartments caught fire and we couldn't get there fast enough, the whole thing was coming down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    I can't speak to commonality.. all I know is we had a similar fire last year in a building with common attics and breezeway. It surprised me as I had assumed fire code would require some sort of separation between apartments and common areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    The fact you missed, you pompous know it all horse's azz, is the student, while failing to do what I told him to, not once but twice, was uninjured and neither were any of the other students. In that kind of circumstance I would much rather ensure they were safe, and take a little punishment myself, than the inverse. A concept I am sure would be foreign to a guy like you.

    Frankly, you are nothing to me but another newbie trying to make his bones. So good luck with that.

    By the way, where are you a Captain?
    I didn't miss those facts; just didn't think they mattered.

    "A guy like me?" You don't know anything about me, which you stated yourself in a previous post.

    Making my bones? Here? Surely you jest!

    By the way, who says I'm a Captain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjak View Post
    I didn't miss those facts; just didn't think they mattered.

    "A guy like me?" You don't know anything about me, which you stated yourself in a previous post.

    Making my bones? Here? Surely you jest!

    By the way, who says I'm a Captain?
    Oh you are making your bones alright.

    Okay, then you aren't a captain. Who really cares.

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    "Fire Codes" are pretty dependent on numerous factors. We use the Life Safety Code (NFPA 101) and the requirements for separating multiple units (attics, corridors, stairways, etc) depend on other safeguards. Some factors that affect required separation: the presences of sprinklers, the number of units sharing a common exit path, or the arrangement of exiting. It appears from the video that each unit was served by it's own stair and exit to the outside, this arrangement allows for more "options" that could result in a lack of fire separation being required.

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    Well I think it was horrible. There is no reason to not go up the stairs and at least apply water from the doorway.

    I am blessed with not ever being short staffed so we would have taken the stairs and worked into the doorway.

    As far as the balcony goes, the nozzle an seemed overly concerned that the sky outside of that area was going to burn up.

    Lastly, Captjak - I would be curious where you work and what kind of "work" you actually see. You appear to have a bunch of things wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    Well I think it was horrible. There is no reason to not go up the stairs and at least apply water from the doorway.

    I am blessed with not ever being short staffed so we would have taken the stairs and worked into the doorway.

    As far as the balcony goes, the nozzle an seemed overly concerned that the sky outside of that area was going to burn up.

    Lastly, Captjak - I would be curious where you work and what kind of "work" you actually see. You appear to have a bunch of things wrong.
    Tell me where I'm wrong and I will try to better explain myself.

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    Why does every informative thread lead to mudslinging? This was a great opportunity to "compare notes" then a couple of folks who can't "agree to disagree" ruin it. With modern considerations like reduced staffing, 2-in/2-out, automatic nozzles, transitional attacks, and early ventilation we could all learn from this fire. I will certainly use it in future training. Unfortunately most of the videos I use show horrible tactics or just plain incompetence - this one has some good points with maybe some room for improvement, but I will give the crew credit for getting the job done.

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    Agree, made a hell of a hit with one line. That said, first on scene, operating in a exterior/transitional attack; go pull a second line and get after it.

    Also, I am not a Safety Nazi by any means, but with the fire load I was getting concerned about the breezeway comming down on them. I would have operated there anyways, just something I was waiting on. Sure that we have all seen the San Antonio video of the guys taking it on the exterior breezeway/awning at a hotel fire.
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