Saw this at a Trade show Last Year. Volusia County FL. We have paid FF/EMT's during the day with a Contract Paramedic. Trying to think outside the box and see if this would be a viable option or just too much in too small a package.
Comment Pro and con are welcome.
Details can be found under Braun Patriot. Tryed to link but this computor is being difficult.
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06-04-2013, 10:13 AM #1
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Multi Purpose Rigs
06-04-2013, 11:57 AM #2
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- Bossier Parrish, Louisiana
Do you really want to commit an engine to transport?Train to fight the fires you fight.
06-04-2013, 12:00 PM #3
E-One used to have a Hush model years ago that had a patient transport area. Never seemed to catch on.
While I understand FD's providing EMS response....can't fathom using an engine for transport."This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?
06-04-2013, 12:01 PM #4
It needs a stick. Then instead of sucking at 2 things, it could suck at 3.
Because it's a great idea to use a rig that gets 2 mpg to transport someone with a hangnail to the ER.
06-04-2013, 03:42 PM #5
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I believe most departments that have operated transport capable fire apparatus, do so with the intention of using it under specific circumstances and not as a regular, every day transport unit. It usually means a delayed ambulance response combined with a critical patient or situations where transporting could get the unit back in service faster than waiting for the ambulance.
As I understand it, these units were designed for a specific application within their department. I believe they are "trial units" and intended to serve in the outlying areas of the county and enhance existing fire suppression capabilities in those areas.
Will it work? I don't know, but I never cease to be amused by people who trash talk about a lot of these combination units without really knowing what they are capable of doing or how they are intended to be used.
06-04-2013, 07:07 PM #6
A while back, someone tried putting a pump and tank on a more-or-less conventional-style ambulance. I think the rationale was very rural services where an ambulance might beat fire to the scene by a significant margin.
Haven't seen any advertised lately.
A lot of things we take for granted today started out as "crazy" ideas. If it works for the buyer, great for them. If it doesn't, it'll go down as another idea that didn't work out. There's no harm in trying.Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.
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06-04-2013, 08:50 PM #7
We can all speculate about the success of these rigs, but unless we're working in the system in which they operate, we have no idea about their success or practicality. Even then, we have to compare the deployment of the vehicle to our own unique situations to the department that owns and operates the vehicle(s) in question.
It's much like the massive transport-pumper that Broward County, FL operates. For 99% of us, it's completely impractical. For their particular application on Alligator Alley, it makes perfect sense to supplement the ambulance that runs from that very out-of-the-way station.
Some transport engines haven't been successful in the past, whereas four have been delivered in the Northwest in the past year. Conversely, I don't believe that Palm Beach County found a lot of success with their pump & tank equipped ambulances (affectionately called "rumpers").
To the OP, I would contact Volusia County and see if the rigs are working to meet the purposes that they intended. The last I heard, there were plans for them to purchase more, in addition to the four they already have.Career Fire Captain
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06-04-2013, 11:17 PM #8
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Nothing like adding a tank full of water, a cast iron pump and a transfercase to the weight of an ambulance. Lowered mileage, additional wear and tear on brakes, tires, engine, transmission. A real budget buster in the long run as far as maintenance is concerned. Definitely looks like a committee truck to me.
Still lacks a command center, awnings, and room for the water rescue and confined rescue gear. Also, didn't see a compartment for the rescue net. Needs a little work or, perhaps, a nifty little trailer it can pull behind it.
06-05-2013, 11:36 AM #9
We had IMA come and do a study on us for our city council. One recommendation was to look at this style of rig for an alternate fire/EMS service. So we looked into it, if for no other reason than to see what it was about.
Needless to say, other than one or two department, you cannot find organizations that ran the "pump-ulance"... sounds like a Dr Suez character... for more than a year. Any that still had them in their fleet were designated as a TRT or HAZMAT rig to store finn form or level A suits in the patient compartment. All organizations that were polled said they were the worst. Ergonomically the hosebed was not functional, tactically taking a pumper out for an hour to transport made less sense.~Drew
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06-06-2013, 01:34 PM #10
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I can't see how this would function as a fire engine. There's no place for a supply line, and it only has a 200 gal. tank capacity. That's barely enough for a car fire. And I sure wouldn't want to be going interior with only a 200 gal. tank. I think a much better option would be to get a larger ambulance box and mount something like a Tri-Max CAFS extinguisher and reel. You have about the same extinguishing capability, for a lot less.
06-06-2013, 02:06 PM #11
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- Rural Wisconsin, Retired from the burbs of Milwaukee
The latest issue of Fire Apparatus Journal has a rig from Broward County Florida that is a full size Class A pumper with the cab extended to include a transprt area to rate the engine as an ambulance. The station it is quartered with is remote and when the ambo is out the next closest is 30 minutes away. This engi-lance serves as a back up to that.“The person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is nothing, and becomes nothing. He may avoid suffering and sorrow, but he simply cannot learn and feel and change and grow and love and live.” Leo F. Buscaglia
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06-11-2013, 10:26 AM #12
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The only combination rig I can really get behind is a squad, which up in the northeast means Rescue Pumper, outside of that a truck is a truck, and an engine is an engine. And an ambulance is something that EMS uses lol.
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