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    Oh wait, that's so he can go inside by himself and "observe fire conditions", my bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToDaRoof View Post
    Certainly I'm not the only one that caught "I will order forceable entry.." Opening a flow path and venting the building so it will burn faster?
    Well, if it burns down faster the boys can get back to fishing and hunting. Although fishing and hunting can be rather dangerous............
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Well, if it burns down faster the boys can get back to fishing and hunting. Although fishing and hunting can be rather dangerous............
    Do you think they drink Busch in the camouflage cans back at the firehouse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToDaRoof View Post
    Certainly I'm not the only one that caught "I will order forceable entry.." Opening a flow path and venting the building so it will burn faster?
    Perform the operation then control and close the door.

    Can still control the flow path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Well, if it burns down faster the boys can get back to fishing and hunting. Although fishing and hunting can be rather dangerous............
    You are correct.

    Which is why I don't hunt and generally why I stay off of boats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You are correct.

    Which is why I don't hunt and generally why I stay off of boats.
    You stay off of boats? Now I REALLY don't trust you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToDaRoof View Post
    Do you think they drink Busch in the camouflage cans back at the firehouse?
    I especially like the limited edition orange camo ones that comply with blaze orange laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    When the members, or some of the members, stop disparaging rural VFD s that can't do the job to thier high and mighty standards, i will be happy to leave.
    I'm sure there are VFD's that do the job to standards that most would consider doing the "job."

    Yours isn't one of them.

    As I stated earlier, a six year old boy and a dog in Australia do the job better than you and your idiot group.

    If hunting and fishing are more important than responding, then they should stop pretending to be firefighters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I'm sure there are VFD's that do the job to standards that most would consider doing the "job."

    Yours isn't one of them.

    As I stated earlier, a six year old boy and a dog in Australia do the job better than you and your idiot group.

    If hunting and fishing are more important than responding, then they should stop pretending to be firefighters.
    You're right.

    Once a member volunteers, he should give up all other interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You're right.

    Once a member volunteers, he should give up all other interests.
    Don't be ridiculous. No one is saying that. Volunteer fire fighting is not a hobby. It is not unreasonable to expect certain sacrifices out of volunteers. Certain sacrifices must be made to maintain a level of competence the citizens deserve. Firefighting is not a hobby, golf is a hobby. Making sacrifices to get to your tee time is okay? Making sacrifices to protect the citizens is not? I have never heard of taking an oath to play golf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You're right.

    Once a member volunteers, he should give up all other interests.
    I didn't say any such thing.

    That is not the issue being discussed.

    Does deflection work with your fellow hayseeds....er colleagues?

    With the obligation those in your burg took up when they volunteered to be firefighters came a responsibility that you continue to prove they and you don't want unless it involves wearing the uniform and fooling the public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Don't be ridiculous. No one is saying that. Volunteer fire fighting is not a hobby. It is not unreasonable to expect certain sacrifices out of volunteers. Certain sacrifices must be made to maintain a level of competence the citizens deserve. Firefighting is not a hobby, golf is a hobby. Making sacrifices to get to your tee time is okay? Making sacrifices to protect the citizens is not? I have never heard of taking an oath to play golf.
    Proving once again, that Bossier Parish is being deceived about its firefighting (or lack thereof) workforce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You're right.

    Once a member volunteers, he should give up all other interests.
    Once again, you go to the nth degree and way off base. Nobody said that....NOBODY. You made that up, just like most of the stuff you post here.
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    yeah he is sure a drama queen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Don't be ridiculous. No one is saying that. Volunteer fire fighting is not a hobby. It is not unreasonable to expect certain sacrifices out of volunteers. Certain sacrifices must be made to maintain a level of competence the citizens deserve. Firefighting is not a hobby, golf is a hobby. Making sacrifices to get to your tee time is okay? Making sacrifices to protect the citizens is not? I have never heard of taking an oath to play golf.
    So if it's not a hobby, what is it?

    Yes, it is a hobby.

    A hobby that agreed, requires a certain level of dedication but still something done on one's freetime after the needs of one's job and one's family has been met.

    Do I expect member's to attend a reasonable level of training? Yes. But what is reasonable? 3 hours a week? 6 hours a week? A 42 0r 50 hour rookie class? FFI? FFII?

    That is all a matter of perspective.

    I expect my interior members to attend the majority of the weekly training. They are expected to complete the rookie class, part of which occurs in addition to weekly training and part of which occurs during weekly training. In fact, it's a requirement for members who wish to operate interior.

    My previous VFD also had a 24 hour requirement for attending outside classes, which was reasonable for the volume and variety of the hazards in that district. A 12-hour requirement would likely be reasonable here for interior members.

    The fact is most of our members work 60-80 hours per week, so yes, accommodations must be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I didn't say any such thing.

    That is not the issue being discussed.

    Does deflection work with your fellow hayseeds....er colleagues?

    With the obligation those in your burg took up when they volunteered to be firefighters came a responsibility that you continue to prove they and you don't want unless it involves wearing the uniform and fooling the public.
    There is a significant difference between the training obligations of full-time EMPLOYEES of a department who are paid to train and VOLUNTEERS who are not.

    Reasonable requirements? Yes. I have no issues with that.

    But to expect the same level of training, even at simply the firefighting level, as paid members, which seems to be your expectations? Not reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Proving once again, that Bossier Parish is being deceived about its firefighting (or lack thereof) workforce.

    Just to point it out one more time .. My VFD is not in Bossier Parish.

    My combo department in Bossier has no issue making interior attacks, though often, IMO, we shouldn't, but that is a separate discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Just to point it out one more time .. My VFD is not in Bossier Parish.
    Well then apply what I said to your VFD only.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    My combo department in Bossier has no issue making interior attacks, though often, IMO, we shouldn't, but that is a separate discussion.
    Yes, we know. Because you lack the ability to do the job to the point where a six year old and a dog provide better rescue capability than your VFD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Well then apply what I said to your VFD only.


    Yes, we know. Because you lack the ability to do the job to the point where a six year old and a dog provide better rescue capability than your VFD.
    So I should base my tactics on the clearly unsafe actions of a 6 year old and a dog?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    So I should base my tactics on the clearly unsafe actions of a 6 year old and a dog?
    It would be better for your citizens than what you base them on now.

    Which is ensuring that potential victims become human briquets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    It would be better for your citizens than what you base them on now.

    Which is ensuring that potential victims become human briquets.
    As have stated earlier ... and many other times .... due to the size of the district it is highly likely that anyone that does not self-extricate will die.

    And it wouldn't matter what fire department is responding ... fire growth and response time are pretty much factors that don't vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    As have stated earlier ... and many other times .... due to the size of the district it is highly likely that anyone that does not self-extricate will die.
    Which is why your citizens would be better off with a six year old boy or an Australian dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You're right.

    Once a member volunteers, he should give up all other interests.
    'Just when I think you have said the stupidest thing ever you just keep on talking." Hank Hill

    Nice attempt at yet another idiotic diversion. You know very well that wasn't what he meant. Frankly, if you and your fellow vfd members can't see the difference between going hunting or fishing as planned, or going to a house fire, it speaks volumes about how depserately pathetic your vfd members truly are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    'Just when I think you have said the stupidest thing ever you just keep on talking." Hank Hill

    Nice attempt at yet another idiotic diversion. You know very well that wasn't what he meant. Frankly, if you and your fellow vfd members can't see the difference between going hunting or fishing as planned, or going to a house fire, it speaks volumes about how depserately pathetic your vfd members truly are.

    So you would expect them to respond to a long-term incident such as a building fire on an hour or so before a planned hunting or fishing trip ?

    I don't do either, but to expect that is, IMO unrealistic.

    There is a limit to what we can expect of volunteer personnel. The VFD is a part of their lives, not the focal point of their lives.
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    So you would expect them to respond to a long-term incident such as a building fire on an hour or so before a planned hunting or fishing trip ?

    I don't do either, but to expect that is, IMO unrealistic.

    There is a limit to what we can expect of volunteer personnel. The VFD is a part of their lives, not the focal point of their lives.

    The fact is that if a member works a 60, or even 50 hour work week that leaves him a 3-4 hours after work and 2 weekend days, which should be committed to family, home and likely hobbies.

    I believe that one night a week is realistic. Two nights a week periodically may be acceptable. More than that is unreasonable. More than that starts to infringe on their lives too deeply.
    Last edited by LaFireEducator; 07-05-2013 at 06:56 PM.
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