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    Default Appropriate Discipline?

    If shift trades are listed as "other employee benefits" in your department policy; should chief officers restrict other fire fighters from trading with the fire fighter who is on restriction? Most ffs wouldn't know that the ff is on restriction because he/she violated a trade agreement previously.


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    Define what a "restriction" is in your department.

    In my department, a "restriction" means you are medically unable to work in Operations and have been subsequently reassigned to a 40-hour per week, limited- or light-duty assignment.
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    This means not being able to trade shifts with another ff. Unfortunately the ff does not even know for how long the restriction is for.

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    This means not being able to trade shifts with another ff. Unfortunately the ff does not even know for how long the restriction is for.

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    How about this. Take YOUR copy of the contract and arrange a meeting with YOUR Union representative and get the facts that pertain to YOUR local contract.
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    There is ALOT more to this story than what the original poster provided. If we have ALL of the story, perhaps we can offer some sound advice.Only getting bits and pieces of a story turns this into a moot topic. Having said that, if the original poster will provide the ENTIRE story to us, we'd be happy to offer suggestions. Bear in mind, however, this explanation must be provided in such a manner that would enable anyone with zero knowledge of how your department operates to understand this situation.
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    Not really to much more to this story. Just a hypothetical that came up in a study group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enginepumper52 View Post
    Not really to much more to this story. Just a hypothetical that came up in a study group.
    Then this is a moot point.
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    While the other firefighters may not know about the impending restrictions, the Chief Officers do. As a result they are able to deny the trade.
    Also, I find it hard to believe a guy has his trade privileges revoked and does not know why.
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    That sounds right.

    The chief officers would know the whole story, while the ffs would only have whatever the ff gives up.

    I considered that any ff crying shenanigans may only do so, if they were trying to create a negitive environment. A company officer would have to put a stop to any negative atmosphere that the ff was creating. Especially if he/she trys to use policy incorrectly.

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    It's important to remember that in discipline WE (Chief Officers) do not get to tell the truth in the fire station of what REALLY happened. The member who is in the disciplinary process can say whatever he wants. In other words, he puts his spin on what happened to save face in the fire station, while we do not have the ability to set the record straight.
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