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    Default Report from Engine Co. 82 video

    New to the forum, don't know if this has been posted before.

    An old BBC documentary on Engine 82. I think everyone except LaFire will enjoy it. LaFire- please don't watch it and please don't comment.





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    Whammer.. nice find!

    At 2:15 into the film.. the firefighter talking is none other than Dennis Smith, the author of Report form Engine Comany 82 and the founder of Firehouse Magazine!
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    Actually Whammer, I have watched it several times.
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    You must have crapped a brick or two watching that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    You must have crapped a brick or two watching that...
    Not at all.

    But it has zero relevance in my current enviroments.
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    [QUOTE=LaFireEducator;1375079
    But it has zero relevance in my current enviroments.[/QUOTE]

    Neither does firefighting, apparently.
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    Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo
    You must have crapped a brick or two watching that...

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Not at all.

    But it has zero relevance in my current enviroments.
    No, it's because your balloon knot is so puckered up with fear that you couldn't pull a needle out of it with a bulldozer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToDaRoof View Post
    Neither does firefighting, apparently.
    Yup, you're right.

    We have no need to operate in this manner, nor do we, or 98.9% of the fire departments in this country have anything close to the resources needed to operate in this manner.

    Disclaimer - The 98.8 % figure is an uneducated, unverified and undocumented guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Whammer.. nice find!

    At 2:15 into the film.. the firefighter talking is none other than Dennis Smith, the author of Report form Engine Comany 82 and the founder of Firehouse Magazine!
    Reading that book as a teenager is what kindled my interest in the Fire Service. Thank you Firefighter Smith! Indirectly, it has lead to me being able to provide a better life for my family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Yup, you're right.

    We have no need to operate in this manner, nor do we, or 98.9% of the fire departments in this country have anything close to the resources needed to operate in this manner.

    Disclaimer - The 98.8 % figure is an uneducated, unverified and undocumented guess.
    So now, because you're not 1970's FDNY, you can't do the job?

    Adapt and overcome must not mean anything in your neck of the woods. How many fires have you put out by throwing IFSTA manuals at them again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToDaRoof View Post
    So now, because you're not 1970's FDNY, you can't do the job?

    Adapt and overcome must not mean anything in your neck of the woods. How many fires have you put out by throwing IFSTA manuals at them again?
    There is no need to do the job in that manner in my area.

    There is no need to take the risks in that manner in my area.

    And there is not the training, experience or resources that support that level of risk taking in my area.

    Either in my career or volunteer gigs.

    And much of what they could get away doing in the 70's they, or the fire service in general, cannot do now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Reading that book as a teenager is what kindled my interest in the Fire Service. Thank you Firefighter Smith! Indirectly, it has lead to me being able to provide a better life for my family.

    The book was great.
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    These guys did the job with 3/4 length coats, pull up boots and had none of the toys we have today.

    The tactics remain the same, the gear is better and now we have thermal imaging.

    You could have the manpower of a 1st alarm response in the FDNY and you would still make excuses ...
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    No relevance? So dedication, brotherhood, and the desire to serve your fellow man can only occur when you have the resources of a FDNY or LAFD? You sound like a argumentative dope.
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    By the way, I loved the series. Four parts on youtube under MAN Alive: the Bronx is burning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    No relevance? So dedication, brotherhood, and the desire to serve your fellow man can only occur when you have the resources of a FDNY or LAFD? You sound like a argumentative dope.
    You've hit the nail on the head. The only reason he opposes everything we stand for is an attempt to **** people off. LA is nothing but a grade-A TROLL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    There is no need to do the job in that manner in my area.

    There is no need to take the risks in that manner in my area.

    And there is not the training, experience or resources that support that level of risk taking in my area.

    Either in my career or volunteer gigs.

    And much of what they could get away doing in the 70's they, or the fire service in general, cannot do now.
    So many days, so many times, I have opened the FH.com page and hoped, wished, dreamed, that just one time you would strive to shut the hell up and not ruin yet another topic. If nothing else you are consistent.
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    trying to describe true brotherhood to lala is like trying to describe color to a person born blind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    No relevance? So dedication, brotherhood, and the desire to serve your fellow man can only occur when you have the resources of a FDNY or LAFD? You sound like a argumentative dope.
    Two very different worlds.

    To strive for that level of brother hood and commitment in a rural department doing a handful of call a year is simply unrealistic.

    As far as the desire to help your fellow man, the opportunity to perform any type of physical rescue is a very, very rare event.

    That was my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Two very different worlds.

    The fact that it is two different worlds has no relevance on the level of Brotherhood and commitment needed or expected.

    To strive for that level of brother hood and commitment in a rural department doing a handful of call a year is simply unrealistic.

    So you're members in podunk Louisiana shouldn't have the same level and belief in the Brotherhood as though from a larger FD? Furthermore, the community depends on you to show up and mitigate there emergency, and you call for a lower level of commitment? So, if your members don't commit to being a member or the fire department, why do you even have a "fire department?"

    That was my point.
    And per your norm, it was a stupid point.
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    The fact that it is two different worlds has no relevance on the level of Brotherhood and commitment needed or expected.

    Brotherhood is developed through spending time together, either on shift, or in the case of a VFD, thorough training and runs.

    The fact is, with holidays, we have less than 50 training nights together and a handful of runs. In that limited amount of time it's far more difficult to develop the brotherhood associated with a career department, or even a busy VFD, such as my previous VFD.

    Given the very limited number of runs that we do mutual aid, it's almost impossible to develop any level of brotherhood with the mutual aid departments.



    So you're members in podunk Louisiana shouldn't have the same level and belief in the Brotherhood as though from a larger FD?

    See above .. Less training and far fewer calls = fewer opportunities to spend time together as a department.

    Furthermore, the community depends on you to show up and mitigate there emergency, and you call for a lower level of commitment?

    I have discussed this before. Down here the fire department is much smaller part of the members lives than it is in some VFDs in some parts of the country. Yes, they are committed, but not to the level that some may expect.

    So, if your members don't commit to being a member or the fire department, why do you even have a "fire department?"

    Your idea of commitment and mine are very different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
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    I am not a regular contributor on the Firehouse Forums so I'm sorry if it seems like I am intruding however, does anyone know of another place on the internet where I can read forums about firefighting? This is no longer the place for education and open discussion about such topics as firefighting or anything remotely related to the job.

    All this place is anymore is a bash on LA site. This topic was a deliberate call out to him so more people can rip on his opinions. Don't call me an LA apoligist, but come on people, grow up. Stop feeding the flames and talk about things that matter to other real firefighters. If you all stop calling him out, maybe....just maybe, he won't bother you all so much.

    I'm sure many of you are very knowledgeable and have a lot to contribute. Why not give it a try instead of speding time and brain power on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFD FF7 View Post
    I am not a regular contributor on the Firehouse Forums so I'm sorry if it seems like I am intruding however, does anyone know of another place on the internet where I can read forums about firefighting? This is no longer the place for education and open discussion about such topics as firefighting or anything remotely related to the job.

    All this place is anymore is a bash on LA site. This topic was a deliberate call out to him so more people can rip on his opinions. Don't call me an LA apoligist, but come on people, grow up. Stop feeding the flames and talk about things that matter to other real firefighters. If you all stop calling him out, maybe....just maybe, he won't bother you all so much.

    I'm sure many of you are very knowledgeable and have a lot to contribute. Why not give it a try instead of speding time and brain power on him.
    I'm relatively new here too and I've also felt the frustration you're feeling. It's friggin endless. And pretty pointless. There's a handful of guys who just can't seem to agree to disagree with eachother. It's OK for guys who live a thousand miles apart to go about their business and perform according to the guidelines of THEIR departments without getting hung up on some other department. I'm all for meaningful debate and disagreement on certain strategies or tactics, but this has gone way overboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFD FF7 View Post
    I am not a regular contributor on the Firehouse Forums so I'm sorry if it seems like I am intruding however, does anyone know of another place on the internet where I can read forums about firefighting? This is no longer the place for education and open discussion about such topics as firefighting or anything remotely related to the job.

    All this place is anymore is a bash on LA site. This topic was a deliberate call out to him so more people can rip on his opinions. Don't call me an LA apoligist, but come on people, grow up. Stop feeding the flames and talk about things that matter to other real firefighters. If you all stop calling him out, maybe....just maybe, he won't bother you all so much.

    I'm sure many of you are very knowledgeable and have a lot to contribute. Why not give it a try instead of speding time and brain power on him.
    This is a site for learning; unfortunately, a certain individual always posts his opinions contrary to the spirit, the tradition and the mission of the fire service.

    He is quick to criticize, yet cannot take criticism.
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