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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You'll get no opposition from me.
    Yet you oppose standardized national sentencing...so how do you support what SPFDRum said? I said no plea bargaining and you jumped all over me talking about local jurisdiction having control over sentencing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    You seem so eager to surrender your freedoms, fortunately there are many of us that see this all for what it is. One step leading to another to another and so on. Your stance is ridiculous is that you want a national background check but then you want local judges to be able to eliminate any penalty at all for use of a gun in a crime due to local discretion. Talk about ludicrous.
    How is a background check surrendering my freedom?

    Only the paranoid believe that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I'm sure those are details that can be addressed.

    How do you think they should work?
    Those "details" need to be addressed before any type of a universal background system is implemented.

    The simple fact is that until we fully determine in very specific ways what the disqualifiers will be, and the legislation is written so that no additional disqualifiers can be added via administrative fiat once it is passed and implemented, there will be suspicion that additional disqualifiers will be snuck in which will erode the ability for Americans to "pass" the background check.

    That is my most significant fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    How is a background check surrendering my freedom?

    Only the paranoid believe that.
    Anytime the government can so no for the purchase of weapons for arbitrary reasons, that is surrendering a freedom.

    See the above post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Those "details" need to be addressed before any type of a universal background system is implemented.
    Thank you Captain Obvious.


    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Anytime the government can so no for the purchase of weapons for arbitrary reasons, that is surrendering a freedom.
    Actually it isn't. Being prohibited from owning a firearm for none of the reasons stated would be surrendering or being denied a freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Thank you Captain Obvious.

    Well, we have seen how well the current administration addressed the details in ObamaCare before it was implemented.

    I would hate to trust them with gun control legislation.



    Actually it isn't. Being prohibited from owning a firearm for none of the reasons stated would be surrendering or being denied a freedom.
    Given the wording of the Constitution regarding gun ownership, any delay is impinging on our freedom to own those weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    How is a background check surrendering my freedom?

    Only the paranoid believe that.
    What is it about "Shall not be infringed" that you don't understand?

    Funny how now you call people paranoid when for 8 years of Bush you were Captain Paranoid looking at every action as another conspiracy. It is not surprising now that your candidate is the prez and his utter disdain for the constitution tht you see no issue with dismantling th ammendments you aren't in favor of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    What is it about "Shall not be infringed" that you don't understand?
    How are universal background checks infringing on one's right to bear arms?

    BTW, the Founding Fathers had no problem infringing on the right to bear arms for various groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    How are universal background checks infringing on one's right to bear arms?

    BTW, the Founding Fathers had no problem infringing on the right to bear arms for various groups.
    Simple.

    It put's into the governments hands the qualifiers and disqualifiers for gun ownership, which frankly, is a right that per the constitution, the government has no right to take away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Simple.

    It put's into the governments hands the qualifiers and disqualifiers for gun ownership, which frankly, is a right that per the constitution, the government has no right to take away.
    Per the constitution, the government doesn't have the right to take ANY right away.

    I don't believe that putting qualifiers on a particular right takes that right away.

    Let's put it this way LAFE: Do you believe that there should be no restrictions whatsoever on gun ownership?
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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjak View Post
    Per the constitution, the government doesn't have the right to take ANY right away.

    I don't believe that putting qualifiers on a particular right takes that right away.

    Let's put it this way LAFE: Do you believe that there should be no restrictions whatsoever on gun ownership?
    If you study and understand the reason the founding fathers included the 2nd Ammendment was to allow citizens to be armed to defend against a tyrannical government then NO, there should be no restrictions. Reality is that it is simply not practical to expect citizens to be armed similar to the military today. But that is already regulated and the fact is there is nothing in the constitution about background checks or registration of firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Simple.

    It put's into the governments hands the qualifiers and disqualifiers for gun ownership, which frankly, is a right that per the constitution, the government has no right to take away.
    Universal background checks don't take ones right to bear arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Universal background checks don't take ones right to bear arms.
    They certainy do not protect the right to bear arms. It is funny how you cried and moaned for 8 years about the intrusion of government into our private lives yet you are silent on the increase in spying, use of drones, and the intrusion of the current administration into private lives of the average American. Try to be just a bit less of a hypocrite and an agitator.

    Perhaps you should just go back to beating on your 2 favorite victims on FH.com because it is clear you are nothing but a political hack and mouthpiece for the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    The problem is, and always will be the abysmal diagnosis, and treatment, of the mentally ill in this country...
    Wanna save some money in the budget this year? Close a mental facility!

    And I'd bet there are still some states where possession of marijuana will get you a longer sentence than armed robbery. Not that I'm in favor of marijuana, but that's still messed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Personally I believe the issue deserves more scrutiny and examination than your alternative which is nothing.
    We've been asking you for details on the universal background checks to no avail. I'm not promoting do nothing, I want the laws we have to be enforced harshly and strengthened with better tools for prosecutors and judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    They certainy do not protect the right to bear arms.
    Where in the Constitution does it state that protection is an absolute?

    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    It is funny how you cried and moaned for 8 years about the intrusion of government into our private lives yet you are silent on the increase in spying, use of drones, and the intrusion of the current administration into private lives of the average American. Try to be just a bit less of a hypocrite and an agitator.
    And the conservative response was that it shouldn't matter unless I was doing something illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    We've been asking you for details on the universal background checks to no avail. I'm not promoting do nothing, I want the laws we have to be enforced harshly and strengthened with better tools for prosecutors and judges.
    Because I'm not an expert. I'm a retired firefighter responding on an obscure message board. I never said I had all the answers on the topic. I stated the issued should be studied to address the details you request. I'm sure that would be part of the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Universal background checks don't take ones right to bear arms.
    Maybe not right now to a great extent ....... But depending on who comes into power in the future the mechanisms will be there the limit those who they don't think (or those who they don't want to) have guns.

    The fact is universal background checks can become a very slippery slope ... Sorta like government operated healthcare ... to some very bad situations for our freedoms down the line.
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    I'll be honest, the last 2 days of news in the morning if enforcing the belief that background checks won't help at all.

    Yesterday news story - trial for a guy who shot another person dead in a movie theatre because he was texting his children's babysitter.

    Todays news story - trial for a guy who shot 4 kids in a car because they were playing loud music.

    Both were legally carrying their weapons. IMO, both should spend the rest of their lives in jail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Maybe not right now to a great extent ....... But depending on who comes into power in the future the mechanisms will be there the limit those who they don't think (or those who they don't want to) have guns.

    The fact is universal background checks can become a very slippery slope ... Sorta like government operated healthcare ... to some very bad situations for our freedoms down the line.
    I would say that it is bad policy to ignore a CURRENTproblem because we're worried about what MIGHT happen in the future. Laws, once passed, are not carved into stone. They can be, and are, changed when necessary.

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