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    Quote Originally Posted by detroitfire1552 View Post
    . We still have our pension
    "Still" being the key, operative word.
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    If "liberalism" were the only reason for Detroit's BK, more "liberal" cities would have fallen into the same pit, and "conservative" cities would all be fine...that isn't the case. Anyone who ignores the economic reasons caused by changes in the auto industry, or demographic changes over the past 60 years, and solely blames "liberalism" because it's an easy and handy political answer is just looking to make political hay and place blame. Reality is a bit more complicated than that.

    Some interesting reading on Detroit and its decline:

    http://www.urbanophile.com/2012/02/2...pete-saunders/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Detroit

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...tml?ir=Detroit

    http://geography.about.com/od/urbane...it-decline.htm

    Prior to Detroit. One of the largest municipal bankruptcies occurred in my backyard. Orange County, CA. Hardly a bastion of liberalism.
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    This is indicative of the mismanagement that won't help Detroit recover anytime soon.

    New Red Wing Stadium to be built with $285M in public funds
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This is indicative of the mismanagement that won't help Detroit recover anytime soon.

    New Red Wing Stadium to be built with $285M in public funds
    So having a major sports team, especially one like the Red Wings whose history is linked to the fiber and very essence of Detroit, isn't important?

    Losing them would do tremendous damage to what is left of civic pride and would send a message that Detroit is closing up shop. They have already lost the Lions and the Pistons to the suburbs.

    From a financial impact, what is the revenue generated to the city on game nights?

    As far as the author's comments on "picking winners and losers" there is a tremendous difference between the construction of sports facilities and anchors of a cities economy, such as theaters and selecting which private industries will get government funding and subsidies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    So having a major sports team, especially one like the Red Wings whose history is linked to the fiber and very essence of Detroit, isn't important?

    Losing them would do tremendous damage to what is left of civic pride and would send a message that Detroit is closing up shop. They have already lost the Lions and the Pistons to the suburbs.

    From a financial impact, what is the revenue generated to the city on game nights?

    As far as the author's comments on "picking winners and losers" there is a tremendous difference between the construction of sports facilities and anchors of a cities economy, such as theaters and selecting which private industries will get government funding and subsidies.
    There are more than enough studies that show the financial impact of a sports team is negligible to the local economy.

    I agree that civic pride is important. I just believe the taxpayer shouldn't be subsidizing a private entity unless they also share in its profitability.
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    Actually, the Lions are in downtown Detroit. They moved back there from the suburbs (Pontiac) more than just a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    There are more than enough studies that show the financial impact of a sports team is negligible to the local economy.
    I can't speak for anywhere else, but here the Republicans tripped all over themselves to get Miller park built.
    If you're looking for some quick reading on the topic, just google "George Petak".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper 45 View Post
    I can't speak for anywhere else, but here the Republicans tripped all over themselves to get Miller park built.
    If you're looking for some quick reading on the topic, just google "George Petak".
    IMO, this is a classic case of picking "winners and losers." Something republicans claim to oppose unless it is one of their buddies. The government does it all the time. Sponsored on both sides of the aisle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The government does it all the time. Sponsored on both sides of the aisle.
    Both sides of the aisle absolutely suck. I'd say we Americans deserve better than the 535 lumps of dung in Congress, but we're stupid enough to keep electing them.

    Both parties love infringing on the Bill of Rights. Both parties love to spend money like drunken sailors (no offense to drunken sailors) and NEITHER party has offered up any type of a solution to the debt that will end up choking this country out.

    I'm not done, but I'll end my rant there. Thank you, please pull through to the second window.
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    That was funny. And accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by detroitfire1552 View Post
    If I were rich, I would do the job for free. We love this city and that is why we come to work in the morning. We still have our pension, new employees are in a 401k, we have an annuity program, we have a terrible arson epidemic, we are an old department, we need younger guys, and we could use new equipment. Apply for the job if you want to be a part of the new Detroit.
    Pride, Tradition, Courage & Dedication to the job and each other. If only the politicians and others in the City could mimic what the DFD members display on every tour of duty. Iím sure youíll be happy to see some new blood walk through the door and will instill all the good that you guys have into them. While the City may have hit rock bottom you Brothers are still at the top of your game. Hold your heads high, we are proud of you.

    God bless you and please stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    So having a major sports team, especially one like the Red Wings whose history is linked to the fiber and very essence of Detroit, isn't important?

    Losing them would do tremendous damage to what is left of civic pride and would send a message that Detroit is closing up shop. They have already lost the Lions and the Pistons to the suburbs.

    From a financial impact, what is the revenue generated to the city on game nights?

    As far as the author's comments on "picking winners and losers" there is a tremendous difference between the construction of sports facilities and anchors of a cities economy, such as theaters and selecting which private industries will get government funding and subsidies.
    Multi-milionaires and billionaires own sports teams as a "hobby"... they can well afford to pay for their own arenas instead of asking the taxpayers to do it for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Multi-milionaires and billionaires own sports teams as a "hobby"... they can well afford to pay for their own arenas instead of asking the taxpayers to do it for them.
    So should tax payers expect to get any revenues at all from something they don't pay for at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    So should tax payers expect to get any revenues at all from something they don't pay for at all?
    Property taxes and licensing fees should offer quite a hefty amount to the tax coffers.

    Why do we fund private business sports arenas and not Fred's Appliance Emporium? It really is the same thing just on a bigger scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    So should tax payers expect to get any revenues at all from something they don't pay for at all?
    No more than they receive from any other business that operates in their locale.
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