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    Quote Originally Posted by IFR View Post
    Thank you for the info. I am definitely curious about the number of people that apply and sit for the test. Personally I know the city's current financial situation is deterring a number of people, but it will be interesting to see. If you don't mind me asking, when is your written scheduled for?

    I am scheduled for this Friday 10/25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroDFF View Post
    I am scheduled for this Friday 10/25.
    Where are they holding the exam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hewartson47 View Post
    Where are they holding the exam?
    The Coleman young center downtown

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    Is preference being given to people with their EMT cert?

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    Default Second guessing this now, thought you all should know what youre getting into

    ATTENTION ALL DFD APPLICANTS PLEASE READ AND SHARE!!!!!!

    The City’s Disastrous New Pension “Plan”

    The City’s proposed new pension plan is out. If implemented, it would prove disastrous for our members, especially in light of the fact that we have no Social Security.

    The city’s proposal replaces the current plan with a defined contribution system that an IAFF analysis concludes, “may violate the Michigan Constitution, particularly the elimination of the Cost of Living Adjustment.”

    Our union’s analysis concludes:
    A Firefighter hired under this plan would likely have less than 20% of final average compensation as a retirement benefit after 30 years of service, probably closer to 15%, making it virtually certain that a retiree would be eligible for Medicaid, food stamps and subsidized housing!

    Here’s a rundown of what the City is trying to saddle us with:

    The Police and Fire Retirement System (PFRS) will be frozen as of December 31, 2013

    This is a “hard” freeze, regardless of years of service. Post-December 31, there will be no future raises, promotions, etc. factored into the AFC at retirement. This provision will reduce the value of the PFRS benefit at retirement to an increasing degree based on the additional years of service before retirement, post December 31.

    In other words, a member with 10 years’ service on December 31, who retires in 20 years (2033), would have the value of their PFRS benefit relative to their AFC at retirement reduced by 50% or more.

    Furthermore…
    -The system is closed to new employees;
    -Benefits for vested current employees are frozen for service and pay as of 12/31/2013;
    -Non-vested employees (less than 10 years’ service) get nothing;
    -There are no LODD/Duty Disability Benefits. LODD current account balances would go to the beneficiary, as would current account balances for Duty Disabilities; and,
    -The plan completely eliminates COLA for current and future retirees – in clear violation of the state constitution – driving down our purchasing power over time.

    Proposed Replacement Plan Promises Poverty
    The Defined Contribution (DC) plan proposed to replace the current system has the following provisions:

    -The employer would make a 10% contribution;

    -No employee contributions would be permitted; and,

    -All costs of for the plan (including administration and Investment fees) would be paid by employees

    A fire fighter hired under the proposed DC plan would end up with a lifetime benefit of only about 20% of final salary after a 30 year career.

    Under a frozen PFRS plan, the value of the accrued vested benefits would be significantly reduced over time – as much as 50% in 20 years!

    In other words, a fire fighter hired under this plan would likely have less than 20% of final average compensation as a retirement benefit after 30 years of service, probably closer to 15%, and these values assume a 10% employer contribution throughout the fire fighter’s career – an impossibility since the expenses of the DC plan will be deducted from the paltry 10% retirement benefit account, and there is no guarantee that the plan won’t be modified or terminated during the coming years.

    With no Social Security, it is virtually certain that a retiree under this plan would be eligible for Medicaid, food stamps and subsidized housing.

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    Anyone else still waiting to be scheduled for a test?

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    I applied late Sunday night, and haven't heard back. On Monday I noticed that my application status had changed from "Application Received" to "Evaluating Minimum Qualifications", but still no word back. Are you an out of state applicant?

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    In state, applied Friday the 18th, status changed to "evaluating" yesterday.

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    I am assuming most will be scheduled for a test after the application period closes.

    Anybody have an educated guess on how many have applied?

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    Like i said before. I applied on the 16th and was scheduled for my written by the 18th. I live about 25 min from downtown Detroit. I have no idea why you guys havent been scheduled yet? You all live in the metro area or just in MI? There must be some method to this madness. And FYI my written is tomorrow morning so when I am done I will let you all know about how many took the test with me.

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    Thanks man. I'm guessing they scheduled some early on, and some others of us will get scheduled after the application period closes. Best of luck tomorrow. Let us know how it goes!

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    There were exactly 30 people in my test this morning. So I'm assuming they are doing the testing in chunks of smaller groups. 5 of them were already in the DFD EMS. And another 5 of them were already city employees. I have no idea if that helps their chances or not. The HR lady did say that as of today there were over 1700 applicants and they expect the final number to be around 2000 tomorrow when the app process closes. That's all I've got for you guys. Good luck!

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    Wow I thought more than that would apply. For 90 spots that is pretty good odds. If you feel comfortable answering, in general terms, what did the test consist of? Like level of math, etc.

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    IFR, you get a test date yet?

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    Not yet man, what about you? I'm guessing this next week we will get scheduled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IFR View Post
    Not yet man, what about you? I'm guessing this next week we will get scheduled.
    Nope. I was really hoping to hear something before the app deadline just in case it was because there was a problem. Like you said, hopefully next week.

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    I applied on the 19th, and I'm also from outa state. I haven't got my test date yet... Does anyone know what's going on ?

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    It appears very few people have received there test dates. They had over 1600 apply, and I'm sure the HR department is a bit overwhelmed. I think we all just need to be patient. I bet this process will be long and very fluid. As soon as I get mine I will let you all know.

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    Per Dffa Union, final number of applicants, 2,431.

    Rumor has it a lot of people didn't show up on their test days so far. If everyone showed up and passed the test Odds of being hired would be 1 in every 27 people. Pretty awesome odds. Im thinking when all of the testing is done maybe 1:15 or so. 90 supposed to be hired right away and then another possible 50 according to the EM.
    Jerry Stewart
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    Detroit Fire Department Local 344

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    Anyone have new information on test dates? I assumed we would have heard by now. Detroitfire...do you know the date the city is hoping to have the first 90 hired by?

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    Just thought I would let you all know, I just checked my application status and it states, "Schedule Written Exam".

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    After I applied on Oct 16th, I received an email response with my written test date and time two days later for the 18th..

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    Quote Originally Posted by IFR View Post
    Just thought I would let you all know, I just checked my application status and it states, "Schedule Written Exam".
    Same story here.

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    I just received my test date via e-mail...scheduled for the week after next.

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    Be mindful everyone that they are testing 2400 people in groups of 30-40. Be patient because this will a long process. My test was one of the first last week and only 30 of 40 people showed up to the test. I am told this has been the case at other tests as well. With an immediate 25% wash out rate the odds are looking better and better. Good luck everyone

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