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    Great article on the use of a PWC for fire attack. Who carries one during a primary when a hose line isn't available?

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    Truck crew carries at least one with them....whether there is a hose line available or not.....every call.
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    Love the can. I will take a PW can in on every fire alarm, and have seen or used a can on many fires that by the amount of smoke they produced looked like they would take a hoseline.

    So darn easy to carry, use and fill back up, why more people don't use them more often is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    Love the can. I will take a PW can in on every fire alarm, and have seen or used a can on many fires that by the amount of smoke they produced looked like they would take a hoseline.

    So darn easy to carry, use and fill back up, why more people don't use them more often is beyond me.
    I have witnessed (while arriving on the first due truck company) an engine company guy running back to the truck to grab a PWC when they found fire on an alarm investigation. They ended up pulling an ABC off the wall and using it. You would think something like that would change the way people do things.
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    My former career job has the truck ALWAYS take PW with them on investigations. Often one of the engine guys will bring one too.

    My #1 POC FD takes a PW for every investigation.

    My #2 POC FD isn't quite there yet, but does sometimes take a PW on investigations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    I have witnessed (while arriving on the first due truck company) an engine company guy running back to the truck to grab a PWC when they found fire on an alarm investigation. They ended up pulling an ABC off the wall and using it. You would think something like that would change the way people do things.
    Oh, but doing the right thing is hard work. You mean you want me to take that heavy PW can with me for the 1 out of 100 times that I'll need to use it on a fire alarm? This is bull****! I just want to play Call of Duty, wash my truck and lift weights.
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    As a fun drill in a burn structure (we use class A materials) use the can as the primary method of fire control. It surprises many how much fire it can hold or knock down, and generally convinces those who are reluctant to carry it that its of value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    My former career job has the truck ALWAYS take PW with them on investigations. Often one of the engine guys will bring one too.

    My #1 POC FD takes a PW for every investigation.

    My #2 POC FD isn't quite there yet, but does sometimes take a PW on investigations.
    Believe it or not my volunteer department is close to your #2 situation. At work the truck company doesn't carry ANY type of extinguisher; but we somehow made room for a Shop Vac.

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    Can on the truck with class A (1/4 cup) added. Rescue has a can with an aspirating nozzle and 1 cup of AR-AFFF added.

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    I work on a quint. If we're investigating, or if we're not the first pump on scene, I'll grab the can. We use a touch of Palmolive.

    Had a transformer fire last night, and the first engine on scene was almost able to take care of it with a water can. They put a little extra pressure on it when they pulled up, and almost got it to reach the top of the power pole, which was at the top of a hill and about 20 feet away. Came up maybe 10 feet shy.

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    Very rarely do we pull the 'can, but when we do, there's always a concern when filling it; How far should you fill it until it's the right amount in relation to the plastic sleeve?

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    You fill it up anywhere between the top and bottom of the plastic sleeve. The sleeve prevents water from overfilling inside the can.
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    I have oftened wondered why we don't just have a gallon milk jug that we fill 2 1/2 times and dump that in the extinguisher. It certainly would end the confusion about EXACTLY how much water is in the extinguisher. We do that with a cup marked for the exact amount of foam for the Can.
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    FyredUp, I bet if you designed some "cool" fire logo and labelled the empty milk jug....you could sell them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    FyredUp, I bet if you designed some "cool" fire logo and labelled the empty milk jug....you could sell them!
    Paint the front of the jug black over red, put a cool "I walk where the Devil dances" logo on it and sell them for $377.99. I could make a killing!!
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QH9LWNW1lc

    exterior attack with a can gotta see this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhode House View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QH9LWNW1lc

    exterior attack with a can gotta see this
    To the younger members of this forum:

    Please don't think you can pull this off from the interior with an unvented fire. You will not be knocking down full rooms of fire with the can. This was an impressive video but the vast majority of the heat energy vented out the window; it was not cooled by the can.
    The can is a great tool and should always be carried IMO. Preventing or delaying vertical extension, holding the fire inside a room and extinguishing incipient fires are all great uses of the can.

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    I pull out the Ol' PWC on every fire alarm, and use it on all small fires where pulling a line is ridiculous. Sometimes firefighters underestimate the amount of fire a can will put out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjak View Post
    To the younger members of this forum:

    Please don't think you can pull this off from the interior with an unvented fire. You will not be knocking down full rooms of fire with the can. This was an impressive video but the vast majority of the heat energy vented out the window; it was not cooled by the can.
    The can is a great tool and should always be carried IMO. Preventing or delaying vertical extension, holding the fire inside a room and extinguishing incipient fires are all great uses of the can.
    I was thinking that the can would work a lot better in an unvented room, the steam created would be less likely to escape and would be able to do work in the room for a little longed. The big concern for me in this video is what exactly is burning? Is this a 1403 burn with pallets and cardboard burning, or is this a burn using the typical synthetic materials we actually find at a structure fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golzy12 View Post
    I was thinking that the can would work a lot better in an unvented room, the steam created would be less likely to escape and would be able to do work in the room for a little longed. The big concern for me in this video is what exactly is burning? Is this a 1403 burn with pallets and cardboard burning, or is this a burn using the typical synthetic materials we actually find at a structure fire?
    Yes, but an unvented room would mean WAY more heat energy present. Can would quickly be overwhelmed. I was referring to actual real world fire conditions.

    IMO, steam is more a byproduct of extinguishment than it is a method of extinguishment. Don't really know the science involved on that one.
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