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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Hey Fryed ...

    I'll be headed up your way in October to teach an NFA class.

    Beer Summit?

    Where and when?

    As far as question 1 ......

    I have used fog nozzles for 30 years and have never been steam burned, nor Have I steam burned any students when acting as an Instructor. Does it happen? Sure, but it has a lot more to do with the user or the instructor than it does the nozzle.

    I don't disagree that the nozzle is not the culprit. My point was as an instructor I still see FDs still advocating using fog patterns in high heat areas while doing interior firefighting. Even sadder to me is I have seen instructors still advocating the "Protective cone" of a fog stream while doing interior firefighting.
    So on this point we may not be too far apart.
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    Camp Douglas, WI October 19-20.

    There are 4 classes assigned. Is it some type of fire school? I found the answer ... It's the Wisconsin NFA Weekend.

    Which airport would you recommend - Milwaukee or MN/St. Paul? This place is right in the middle and airfare is identical.

    Are you familiar with Tomah or Mauston? Which is a more active town to stay in?
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    LA,

    Camp Douglas is the home of Volk Field which is a Wisconsin Air National Guard Combat Readiness Training Center. It is also shared with other state agencies and used as a central location for classes such as NFA classes. I believe the State Patrol uses it as their training site.

    Either airport is pretty much a straight shot on the interstate but I would think Minneapolis/St Paul would be a shorter trip time wise.

    Honestly if it were me I would look at Wisconsin Dells which is about 40 miles away if you are looking for things to do at night after class. But that is just me. Look at it online and see what you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Are you familiar with Tomah or Mauston? Which is a more active town to stay in?
    I'm gonna have to agree with Fyred on the Dells. However between Mauston and Tomah, if I remember right from my hockey days, Tomah had more to offer. And you're closer to LaCrosse which definitely has more to offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    I'm gonna have to agree with Fyred on the Dells. However between Mauston and Tomah, if I remember right from my hockey days, Tomah had more to offer. And you're closer to LaCrosse which definitely has more to offer.
    Thanks.

    Probably in the end where most of the instructors are staying will be the deciding factor. I have e-mailed an inquiry to the Wisconsin Fire Instructors Assoc, who seems to be coordinating the event, that question.

    Are you and your dad north or south of Milwaukee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Thanks.

    Probably in the end where most of the instructors are staying will be the deciding factor. I have e-mailed an inquiry to the Wisconsin Fire Instructors Assoc, who seems to be coordinating the event, that question.

    Are you and your dad north or south of Milwaukee?
    We are located north and west of Milwaukee about 100 miles, 30 miles north of Madison.

    I am surprised they aren't offering a room at Volk Field because that is what they do for Instructors that go there for Train the trainer classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Here is a question for the OP to ask...

    Why, after documented case after documented case of steam burns to firefighters, do some FDs, and even more sadly, some instructors still advocate the use of fog streams during interior fire fighting operations?

    How about this one...

    Why do fire departments buy nozzles, put them on their hoselines and then never do any kind of flow testing to see if they work right or what actual engine pressure is needed to get the desired flow?
    BOOM.. You hit the nail on the head. I have asked countless people, Say, whats the GPM of your attack lines? Honestly 85-90% of the time I get " I don't know ".

    How can you not know? Really important to know if you use an automatic, The ones we use will still throw a good looking stream at 60 GPM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L-Webb View Post
    BOOM.. You hit the nail on the head. I have asked countless people, Say, whats the GPM of your attack lines? Honestly 85-90% of the time I get " I don't know ".

    How can you not know? Really important to know if you use an automatic, The ones we use will still throw a good looking stream at 60 GPM.
    Even better is watching FDs buy high flow automatics, like the old TFT 50-350gpm style, and then putting it on 200 feet of 1 3/4 inch hose and pumpimg it to somewhere between 100 and 150 pounds and them swearing they are flowing 300 gpm because the salesman told them they could.

    When my #1 POC FD decided to upgrade we tested EVERYTHING we could get ur hands on, we set a minimum flow we wanted and let the line firefighters decide which nozzle they wanted to use. We came up with a single gallonage constant pressure low pressure nozzle break apart with a slug tip behind it.

    I don't care what any FD uses as long as they understand what it does and how to make it work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    We are located north and west of Milwaukee about 100 miles, 30 miles north of Madison.

    I am surprised they aren't offering a room at Volk Field because that is what they do for Instructors that go there for Train the trainer classes.
    I just got the bid last week as a replacement, so something like that may be available. As I said I have an e-mail into the Fire Instructors Assoc, who seems to be running the weekend, about what they recommend for accommodations. Something like that may be available when they make contact with me.

    Sounds like if I fly into Milwaukee, you may sorta be on the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I just got the bid last week as a replacement, so something like that may be available. As I said I have an e-mail into the Fire Instructors Assoc, who seems to be running the weekend, about what they recommend for accommodations. Something like that may be available when they make contact with me.

    Sounds like if I fly into Milwaukee, you may sorta be on the way.
    Yes I am, Volk field is like 85 miles from me, Milwaukee is about 100 miles.
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    Double Post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I just got the bid last week as a replacement, so something like that may be available. As I said I have an e-mail into the Fire Instructors Assoc, who seems to be running the weekend, about what they recommend for accommodations. Something like that may be available when they make contact with me.

    Sounds like if I fly into Milwaukee, you may sorta be on the way.
    I promise I'm not a big of an azzhole in person as I can be on the internet. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    I promise I'm not a big of an azzhole in person as I can be on the internet. lol.
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    No really!

    BEE DOO BEE DOO BEE DOO BEE DOO BEE DOO!!
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    Right now the class is teetering on the edge of a no go ..... So tell all your Wisconsin friends to come and take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    No really!

    BEE DOO BEE DOO BEE DOO BEE DOO BEE DOO!!


    http://youtu.be/-5m3f8NsFUY
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Right now the class is teetering on the edge of a no go ..... So tell all your Wisconsin friends to come and take it.
    What class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    What class?
    Community Risk Issues and Prevention Interventions.

    NFA Weekend @ Camp Douglas Oct 19-20th.

    It's a class focusing on identfying the fire and injury problems in a community and utilizing the 3 E's to address those issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Community Risk Issues and Prevention Interventions.

    NFA Weekend @ Camp Douglas Oct 19-20th.

    It's a class focusing on identfying the fire and injury problems in a community and utilizing the 3 E's to address those issues.
    Well let's hope it flies. It doesn't sound like my cup of tea but I will see what I can do to put the word out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    My kids do that bee doo all the time! Its kind of growing on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    My kids do that bee doo all the time! Its kind of growing on me.
    Try this!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUgYAOJj-r8
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