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    The "TBD" score that they're referring to is based off of however many people they determine to interview. For example, say the highest score after all is said and done is a 95 and they decide to interview 300 people. They'll see how far from the top of the list they have to go down to do so. Because we're only hiring 7(as of right now), they may not and most likely won't interview 300 like they have in the past when they were trying to fill an academy of 40 plus recruits. They may only interview the top 100. No one knows yet unfortunately. The first group off the last test were scores 94(highest score) to 84. 11-1 was a good size class though because of grant money the department received.

    This may be a 3 year list though and there's a lot of foreseeable hiring in the next couple years because of retirements. AZGUY, good luck with SDFD. We actually just had guys from there at our Training Academy last week. I guess they're losing a lot of guys who are testing elsewhere because they lost their pension and all the new guys won't have one, compared to those who have been on long enough. If that's the case, there may be some openings there and something to talk about as job knowledge and knowing what you're coming into.

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    It was actually me testing for SDFD. The starting pay is horrible and you're right about the pensions. But I was born and raised there so it would be nice to come home.

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    In August I heard through the National Testing Network, while taking my CPAT, that Glendale, AZ was going to be hiring this year. Since then I haven't heard or seen anything anywhere. Does anyone have an idea if this was bogus, or if they are going to open up for applications some time soon?

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    Test results are in. Anyone else pass the test? I wonder what the top score was? I'm glad I passed but should of done better. God speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dctalk523 View Post
    Test results are in. Anyone else pass the test? I wonder what the top score was? I'm glad I passed but should of done better. God speed.
    I passed, but im pretty disappointed in my score as well. I thought I did A LOT better. 78, Im not too optimistic this will be good enough to get an interview

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    What were yall's scores?

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    Scored an overall of 84. I checked with the HR department because I did the test review and was certain I scored a 90+. Turns out that they adjust your grade after the test to compensate for the disabled and veteran points that are given so that no one scores over 100. My score on the test was 91 out of 100, but after they standardized it (adjusted for the disabled and veteran points) I scored an 84. Just thought I would share this information. FourYearJohn, if you are not disabled or a veteran you probably scored more like an 85/100. Can't worry about it now though. Just practice your interviews and keep your fingers crossed you get a call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZfireprospect View Post
    Scored an overall of 84. I checked with the HR department because I did the test review and was certain I scored a 90+. Turns out that they adjust your grade after the test to compensate for the disabled and veteran points that are given so that no one scores over 100. My score on the test was 91 out of 100, but after they standardized it (adjusted for the disabled and veteran points) I scored an 84. Just thought I would share this information. FourYearJohn, if you are not disabled or a veteran you probably scored more like an 85/100. Can't worry about it now though. Just practice your interviews and keep your fingers crossed you get a call.
    Damn, that makes me feel a little bit better then if they already compensated for points. I don't have any veteran points though. Heres to hoping!

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    No doubt. I was very unhappy with my score because I told my family and people that I knew that I scored over a 90 and then in big bold print I read 84. I was so upset with myself. I was just happy to find out that I wasn't lying to my family and friends.

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    The scores are always curved. The scores were curved by 8 points, so you actually got a 92. The scores aren't curved just because of veterans and those with a disability. No one knows exactly what the highest score is yet, but I did hear of someone scoring a 96. I'd be willing to bet that's probably the highest score, unless someone who received 5 preference points got a 100 percent. That would only put them at a 97 though.

    There's a big change though with interviews this time around. In the past, if you interviewed and didn't get hired, you were done and had to re-test. People this time that get 2nd round interview that do really well but don't quite make it will be recycled and put on a list to possibly get a 2nd interview again the next time we hire. So, you would end up with 3 interviews after all is said and done. That's a good thing for those that get interviews here soon, because we're only hiring 7(maybe a few more). The department doesn't want to miss out top candidates who scored well. It's tough for those who scored in the mid to low 80's, because it may take them longer to get down the list of scores. Especially with the scarce hiring the department may face.
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    Thank you phxfire1181 for explaining the break down/ scoring of the written exam. I scored a 79 on the written exam. Doesn't grading on a curve hurt those that did well on the exam? I hope I get a chance to interview w/ PFD in the near future. God speed.

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    So is there any other way other than disabilities, being a veteran, having a prior interview, or having your family bump your score for you to get preference points? I know that having a bachelor's degree did nothing for me as far as that goes. I'm just wondering if there is anything in your control to getting on the same score level as a chief's son. Because even if I would have scored 100/100 I would have scored a 92. I guess I'm just looking for a way to level the playing field next time I test.

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    Regarding that last comment, I know it sounds like I am complaining, but that is not my intentions what so ever. PFD has a great reputation and all the members I have met have been extremely helpful. I recognize that there is a reason for everything that the department does, but I would just like to know if there is a way to use this system to my advantage.

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    When you say the Chiefs son scored a 96...is that WITHOUT the 8 pt curve. So he actually scored an 88? Or is that a 96 with the 8pt curve.
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    @AZfireprospect, just b/c you score high on a written exam doesn't mean jack. Kudos to the Chiefs son for scoring a 96. Also, you can have all the certs and degrees in the world. Looks great on paper but thats it. It all comes down to the interview. How long have you been testing? Only in Arizona? God speed.

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    Only my second test. Yes in AZ. That being said if I do get a chance to interview, it would be my first one. I've been working very hard on my interviewing, but there is a good chance that I won't kill it on my first try. I understand the importance of the interviews, but also you can't get one without scoring well enough on a test. No doubt that's an awesome score preference points or not. I'm just trying to get information for the next time I test if this one doesn't work out.

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    The person that I heard scored a 96 was with the curve. All the scores given are after the curve and with the preference points added. It doesn't matter if it's a Chief's son, a Captains son or someone who has zero family on the job. They studied well, they tested well and now they've put themselves in a good spot. As for leveling the playing field if you don't have family on the job, well the fire service is all about networking and if you don't have that last name or tie to someone within, you have to work a little harder. I personally have zero family on. I put in the time through schooling, I volunteered a lot with the department and union through groups that anyone can join, and I got my face and name out there through riding at various stations. It took a lot of time away from my family to do so, but I made it work because this was the career I wanted. Having family on the job doesn't increase your test score either. It may be beneficial in your interview, but as for your test, it's not. That's all done through through the City of Phoenix Personnel Department.

    That's how you can level the playing field though. How many ride a longs have you been on? How much have you volunteered? What are you doing for yourself education wise(besides the basics like your EMT)? You should be able to sit down in front of an oral board, answer the questions and leave with them saying and thinking without a doubt that you're a solid candidate and you want this job. Because that's what it takes. Mediocre and even good interviews won't get you the job. It's too competitive right now. They want the best of the best. What have you done to prepare yourself for this job, should be a loaded answer. For some reason, that question and why do you want to be a firefighter are the hardest to answer for most people. Hope that helps a little bit.

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    Helps a ton. I have spent time at one station, but realize that is not enough and I need to network a lot more than I have.

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    If your score doesn't get you an interview this time around, you have a great chance that you could get an interview next time around. May be a blessing in disguise to give you more time to prepare yourself for that interview and 20 minutes to tell a panel why they should work with you for the next 25 years. Especially if you don't have a lot of experience in fire oral boards. You may get an interview this time around! All we know for sure right now is we're hiring 7. They may come out and say, "well....we're hiring 30 now".

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    Quote Originally Posted by phxfire1181 View Post
    If your score doesn't get you an interview this time around, you have a great chance that you could get an interview next time around. May be a blessing in disguise to give you more time to prepare yourself for that interview and 20 minutes to tell a panel why they should work with you for the next 25 years. Especially if you don't have a lot of experience in fire oral boards. You may get an interview this time around! All we know for sure right now is we're hiring 7. They may come out and say, "well....we're hiring 30 now".
    Thanks for all your help again. I have an interview at Benson, AZ and the SDFD test this week, and long beach after that!
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    Thats great information. Thank you phxfire1181.
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    I scored a 90 on the exam, do you think my score will be high enough for a first round interview? Does anyone know about how many will be invited for the first round? Any info would help out. Thanks!

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    Any updates guys?

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    Has anyone been contacted for interviews yet?

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    Let me understand this:

    They are currently retaining 6 red shirts, waiting for an academy.

    They incur the cost of a test, have thousands of people apply, test, rack and stack, and judge.. just to hire one person off of that list?

    Is it even worth it to have an academy with that few people? How can they justify the expense of overtime, training, and misc. costs associated with an academy for just that small amount. Seems like a waste of time, and money. Is this list going to last a few years? Or will they test again when they need 7 more people?

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