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    Default FY 2013 Vehicle Caps

    A few questions for my brothers.

    Anyone with any idea on the caps for vehicles? Platform Quints, Engines, Refurbs?

    I understand that AFG has cut Apparatus funding for awards but there costs keeping going up and up. Does anyone have any feedback on issues on replacing an apparatus that is 25+ years in age but was only recieved by the department 5-10 years ago?

    Also any idea on the max cap with adding equipment onto a vehicle for compliance and funding?

    On the equipment side I am looking at upgrading our aged vehicle rescue system.. hydraulics, air bags.. on thoughts on that is appreciated as well.


    Hopefully the Program Guidance comes out soon but before the application period opens up.


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    Platforms were still around $1mil total project, normally $800k fed share since it was only the urban areas matching 20% getting them. Other sticks go down from there all of the way to $500k or so for 75ft single axle Quints. So many variables on them that it's a wide scale.

    Pumpers still right around $300k, a little more if foam is on board.

    Refurbs are what they are since those are semi-specialized and you don't have as many vendors available to do them. Ideally less than a new truck to be competitive but also depends on what is being done.

    At last check it was still $25k worth of extra equipment on a truck app, not including an Driver/Operator training needed, that's just stuff for the truck.

    The how long you've owned the truck and how many runs it made in the prior year are how they take into account departments buying used vehicles. The longer you've owed it the better, reason they put in that question is people were buying used trucks just to make the fleet older. If it was bought more like 5 years ago, might be an issue unless it's the only truck in that category. If it's your frontline piece then can still be competitive with it.

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    Its a 1984 Platform Quint that is a front line Aerial covering 300 square miles as a first due Aerial.

    One of the Estimations for a Refurb is $700,00 while a replacement is around a million dollars. So which way to go is important.

    Also say we apply to replace this 95' Platform but decide to replace it with a 70' Single Axle platform quint. Is that allowable if you are asking to replace what you currently have.. would there be any big changes. The price would just be less then what was asked for in its replacement.

    Anything else please share your thoughts, thanks.

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    No on the change in length because that changes the capabilities of the truck. Now if you said 100ft and bought a 95ft, not so much, same animal.

    Refurb versus replace is the question of lifetime of service after completing the project. New you could get 25-30 years out of for that $1mil. If $700k only gets 10-15, then the per year benefit goes to new.

    Since the Regional Vehicle option opened, if it's really the only aerial within 300 square miles and that's a multi-department area then would be better going that route instead of Individual Vehicle app. More stats makes it more competitive.

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    With the Regional Vehicle option the other departments would have to sign on and give up there right to apply for their own AFG? I have to finish up some of my details obviously sooner but it is tough to think ahead in the future without some better R&D. A lot of good thoughts are with the Single Axle Supthen 70' for a rural area. However since they are the only ones on the market with on and no Demo available we might just go ahead with the current 95' in our replacement application. Thanks for your thoughts.

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    The double dipping rule is still in place with Regional Vehicles like already exists in the program. Just like you can't be in the regional radio grant and then use your Ops for radios also, they can lend their stats to your regional vehicle app but just can't be in any other aerial app whether their own or someone else's regional vehicle app for an aerial.

    Now if there is also a need for a rescue truck, someone else can host that regional and you can lend your stats to that. And everyone can do their own pumper, tanker, and brush trucks because those aren't going to be regional vehicle apps anyway.

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    With the cost of trucks going up it is hard to get a platform ladder truck for under $1.2 million. We are a rural department with 61 paid members out of 4 stations. We have a 26 year old open cab platform with a long history of mechanical problems. We are applying as a regional grant but need to ask for 1.2 million. Is that feasiable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madfirelieutenant View Post
    With the cost of trucks going up it is hard to get a platform ladder truck for under $1.2 million. We are a rural department with 61 paid members out of 4 stations. We have a 26 year old open cab platform with a long history of mechanical problems. We are applying as a regional grant but need to ask for 1.2 million. Is that feasiable?
    Your limit will be based on the population for the regional applicants. If 100,000 or less it is capped at $1 million.

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    If that's what the truck costs, that's what it costs and not much you can do about it. Better bulletproof it, picked up 2 aerials last year and with 100 awards total it's going to be real tight again this year. Beat the computer on a tower refurb but a Peer DJ so odds are that's making it past again. Guaranteed ambulance money this year takes another slice out. You know we're not taking it easy on any apps, game on.

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    It's not hard to find a platform for under $1M if you shop around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onebugle View Post
    Your limit will be based on the population for the regional applicants. If 100,000 or less it is capped at $1 million.
    So does that $1 million cap address the federal share or the total project?

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    Federal share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madfirelieutenant View Post
    So does that $1 million cap address the federal share or the total project?
    Federal share.

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    I need to read the Regional part again. So if initiate a Regional Aerial and say the other department applies for Radios and Vehicles that is all possible? Good information on the population.

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    As long as you are not duplicating your requests, you (and your regional partners) can apply under both categories.

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