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    Let me be 100% perfectly, undeniably, no misunderstandings, clear with my following points.

    1) I believe a well run and disciplined junior program is a great way to get young people interested in the fire service and to give them a taste of what it is like.
    2) I 100%, as adamantly as I can state this, will NEVER believe junior firefighters have any place on the fireground during emergency operations. If your FD believes they do, then at the minimum keep them out of the hot zone and absolutely NO interior work. Not even overhaul after the fire is out.
    3) I believe it is a HUGE mistake to place juniors on any rig operating 10-33 with lights and sirens operating. If you MUST have juniors on scene, bring them in a personnel carrier driven by the junior advisor.
    4) There is absolutely no need for juniors to have a transmitting capable radio on the emergency scene. The IC does not need their chatter clogging up the airwaves and there is nothing that they should be involved in that requires the use of a radio.

    I am sure there are those who just as adamantly believe I couldn't be more wrong. So be it.
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    Aren't pagers like a few hundred dollars? The same for a radio... Then the cost to get them programmed??

    Save your money and buy a gym membership and work out... Statistically speaking you're more likely to die from being out of shape or overweight then by not having a pager or radio..

    Or save your money for a degree.. A nice car.. Clothes.. Tools.. A good pair of leather boots.. Or a nice helmet or custom shield.. All of which will serve you much more efficiently and longer then a radio or pager..

    Unless you want them just to show off and draw attention to yourself then you can just lump yourself into the useless whacker culture that is making more and more people think volunteer firefighters are a joke..
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    A junior firefighter needs a radio and pager as much as a fish needs a bicycle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Great post. Especially the last paragraph. Why is it so many young people that want to be in this profession want to run before they have even learned to crawl?
    Entitlement mentality. 95% of them have it and I'm sick of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Let me be 100% perfectly, undeniably, no misunderstandings, clear with my following points.

    1) I believe a well run and disciplined junior program is a great way to get young people interested in the fire service and to give them a taste of what it is like.
    2) I 100%, as adamantly as I can state this, will NEVER believe junior firefighters have any place on the fireground during emergency operations. If your FD believes they do, then at the minimum keep them out of the hot zone and absolutely NO interior work. Not even overhaul after the fire is out.
    3) I believe it is a HUGE mistake to place juniors on any rig operating 10-33 with lights and sirens operating. If you MUST have juniors on scene, bring them in a personnel carrier driven by the junior advisor.
    4) There is absolutely no need for juniors to have a transmitting capable radio on the emergency scene. The IC does not need their chatter clogging up the airwaves and there is nothing that they should be involved in that requires the use of a radio.

    I am sure there are those who just as adamantly believe I couldn't be more wrong. So be it.
    Can anyone help me? What did he mean by this? ............. Good post old retired guy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm1524 View Post
    Can anyone help me? What did he mean by this? ............. Good post old retired guy!
    Thanks, sometimes I guess I am hard to understand!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Thanks, sometimes I guess I am hard to understand!!
    Not at all... you weren't speaking Spartan or Watusi....
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    I would say that if you have to wait a year to be provided with a radio, I would wait. If your Chief wanted you to have a radio at this time, I'm sure it would be addressed. It sounds more like a policy thing, not anything personal against you.

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    I completely agree with you on this topic. We have a junior firefighter group of about 8 kids and of those one has a pager and a radio. The radio doesn't have transmitting capability on our service channel but we do have a talk around channel that we use for training that he can talk to us on. They go to fires with us but are only allowed outside the hot zone and they help with changeing bottles and stuff of that nature. they do not go to anything on a highway or that invovles a car. They also do not go to any medical calls at all. there will be plenty of these type calls when you become of age. You need to focus on the fundamentals first and work your way up from there.
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