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    Default Responses to different types of calls?

    I'm just curious, but what types of resources are dispatched to different types of calls?

    I.e. I've heard that here in LA County, a structure fire will typically get 3 engines, a ladder truck, battalion chief and paramedic squad, and a medical call will get a paramedic squad, engine and a BLS Ambulance.

    But what about other types of calls? Like say a car accident? Or any other common calls?

    And what do engine crews and truck crews do on these calls?

    While I am primarily interested in Los Angeles County/Southern California since that's where I live/work. But I'd be more than happy to hear about other parts of the country, whether its FDNY or a small rural vollie dept.

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    Response matrix for LA County Fire.

    http://www.fire.lacounty.gov/special...seMatrices.asp

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    Responses will vary from department to department based on local protocols. This can be affected by the type of hazard and equipment available.

    My career FD always sent either 2 engines a trcuk and an ems unit, or an engine, a quint, a ladder and an ems unit on the initial call. We could upgrade within our resources or call upon our neighbors through MABAS.
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    Both my combo and volunteer departments have polices stating what types of calls will get what types and number of apparatus. In the case of structural incidents (fires, alarms, smoke investigations) those minimum numbers are based off what is required by the rating, which in LA is 2 engines and service truck.

    That is often modified if more than that number sign on the air, and there are indications that the fire or incident is significant in nature. Generally those "extra" apparatus will be told to respond in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generic View Post
    Response matrix for LA County Fire.

    http://www.fire.lacounty.gov/special...seMatrices.asp
    Dang .. That's one hell of a matrix.
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    First alarm for a structure fire for us gets two automatic mutual aid departments plus us - normally resulting in a total 3 engines, 3 tankers, 3 rescues, a tower, and an ambulance (third service NFP). Second and third alarms bring in two more departments with equipment as needed. Special situations (need more water, f'rinstance) will result in special calls as needed.

    Right now we don't have many automatic fire alarms in our district, but dispatch treats them as a structure dispatch. Mutual aid will normally be held in quarters if the first officer arrives on scene before they get out the door, or is cancelled fairly quickly if no problem is found.

    MVA's get an engine and/or the brush and a rescue from us and "Jaws" from the nearest resource, plus the ambulance.

    Grass/brush will just be us, with special calls made as needed for more resources.

    Vehicle fires get the engine and rescue, possibly the tanker and the brush, depending on the situation.

    There was a time when the standard structure response was just the home department for most departments in the area. These days there is almost always two departments on the dispatch.
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    On an initial box alarm we send 5 engines, 2 trucks, 1 rescue, 2 battalion chiefs, and an ambulance. Report of a working fire gets 1 engine, 1 truck, deputy chief, medic unit, air unit, safety officer, fire investigator, ems supervisor.

    Medicals all depend on the call. They are rated omega, alpha, bravo, charlie, delta and echo based on severity. Something like an omega or alpha is usually someone who feels sick and doesn't require immediate attention. omega-bravo all get an ambulance. Charlie and delta get a paramedic engine and an ambulance or medic unit. Echo is usually cardiac arrest which adds on an ems supervisor to the call. Also depending on the distance of the transport unit(we run out of ambulances in the city every day), many times a truck or bls engine will first respond.

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    Structure fire in town gets the city pumper and hopefully a full crew. We don't have AMA but probably should. The first in officer or senior man makes the call whether to call mutual aid or not. Rural structure fire gets the rural engine/crash truck and a tender. Again first in makes the call for mutual aid. Wildland fire gets what ever we can send( two type sixes and a tender, with another type six and a type five in reserve.) Basically, every call we have can have mutual aid, but we have to size up and ask for it.
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    House fire gets 4 engines, 2 special services (truck or heavy rescue squad), an ambulance and duty chief. If it's in a non-hydrant area it also gets 2 tankers.

    Auto accident gets a rescue or squad, and 2 ambulances. If it's reported serious we add a heavy rescue squad, a medic unit and the duty chief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eng34FF View Post
    House fire gets 4 engines, 2 special services (truck or heavy rescue squad), an ambulance and duty chief. If it's in a non-hydrant area it also gets 2 tankers.

    Auto accident gets a rescue or squad, and 2 ambulances. If it's reported serious we add a heavy rescue squad, a medic unit and the duty chief.
    No engine for possible fire suppression?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    No engine for possible fire suppression?
    The responses are a county standard. The rescues (rescue engines) have pumps and tanks. Most of the heavy rescue squads in the county also have tanks and pumps. For departments that have squads without pumps, it's up to them to run an engine with the assignment. If there is any reported fire, dispatch will add an engine to the assignment.

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    MVCs get an engine, two if entrapment. AFAs, gas leaks, and the like get two engines and the truck. Structure fires (confirmed or possible) get two engines, truck, and a county engine.

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    Depends on the call and manpower I'm on a val dept.

    on a MVA: 1 or 2 medics depends on how many PTS there are. Rescue. and one engine if there is entrapment. If we need more resources we page for mutual aid and re-page our self

    on a in town/out of town house fire: 3 engines, a rescue, a medic for rehab, aif we need a truck we can call a near dept the automatic mutual aid with bring 2 or 3 engines. And the air trailer. A out of town house fire will have the same trucks but just add as many tankers as we need with mutual aid

    vehicle fire:depends on the size. most of the time its 1 engine and another if we need more water

    fuel spills, CO alarms, and Fire alarms get 2 engines and a rescue

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    I serve on two volunteer departments so resources are limited to say the least. If it is an automobile accident we generally respond in pvs and run traffic control and scene stabalization. A fire is different. We will respond with two engines and in the event we need more water we have mutual aid access to two departments that have other trucks and a tanker.

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    Structure fire (residential/commercial highrise, widerise)
    3 Engines*
    1 Truck
    1 Battalion chief
    1 Breathing support**
    1 Water Tender**

    *If information supports a working fire, 2 additional engines will also be started at dispatch or enroute.
    **If needed

    Wildland Fire
    7 engines with 3 being type 3 engines
    1 Air Attack
    2 Air Tankers
    1 Helicopter
    2 Hand Crews
    1 Dozer
    1 Water Tender
    1 Battalion Chief

    Traffic Collisions
    1-2 Paramedic Engines (or Truck)
    1 Paramedic Ambulance or Paramedic Squad depending on which part of the county.

    Fire Alarms
    2 Paramedic Engines
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Structure fire in town gets the city pumper and hopefully a full crew. We don't have AMA but probably should. The first in officer or senior man makes the call whether to call mutual aid or not. Rural structure fire gets the rural engine/crash truck and a tender. Again first in makes the call for mutual aid. Wildland fire gets what ever we can send( two type sixes and a tender, with another type six and a type five in reserve.) Basically, every call we have can have mutual aid, but we have to size up and ask for it.
    We are sometimes in the same boat. We now do AMA for the other VFD in the county, and them for us. Help is far enough away as it is, so we do what we can to shave time. We also do that for wildland fires in the southwestern part of the county. It takes a long time to get there in a brush truck.

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