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    Default Proposed Government Shut-Down and the National Fire Academy

    With the imminent "shut-down" of non-essential government agencies (and their employees), what will happen to the NFA?

    I am assuming by the last-minute alternate preparations for the National Fallen Firefighters' Memorial this upcoming weekend, that the campus would close indefinitely in the event of a "shutdown".
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    Taking an online class now, and instructor said he can do no work on the class if shut down comes

    I imagine same with on campus

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    I wonder if they are going to send home all the White House cooks?

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    I am scheduled to teach a class in Wisconsin on the 19th and 20th of October, and without funding resecured in about a week, if the gov't shuts down, I have been told unofficially that it's likely the class will be cancelled if the shutdown goes more than few days and would not be rescheduled, even if funding was restored prior to the dates of the class.

    I have yet to receive anything official, but yes any off or on-campus class would be cancelled without funding. The trick is the timeline as to when they would make the call to shutdown any scheduled class if funding is not quickly restored.

    And then of course, we have that other budget deadline on the 17th ...........

    I have another class scheduled in St. Louis the first week of November, but have held off making hotel reservations due to the looming budget mess.

    Even though I oppose Obamacare with a passion, I have already sent numerous e-mails to my local reps as well as Mr. Lee, Mr. Rubio and Mr. Cruz about the implications of their actions with no realistic chance of changing anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire49 View Post
    I wonder if they are going to send home all the White House cooks?
    Maybe they could just bring in the Swedish Chef?

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    I just received an acceptance letter for a class there in December. I think I'll wait to buy my plane ticket until I see which direction the "shutdown" is headed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfwfirefighter View Post
    I just received an acceptance letter for a class there in December. I think I'll wait to buy my plane ticket until I see which direction the "shutdown" is headed.
    I would assume by then things should be straightened out.

    The NFA will reimburse you for the ticket and any associated cancellation fees if they cancel a class.

    As an NFA Instructor, they will reimburse me for any expenses - airplane tickets/cancellation fees, booked hotels, etc - I have made after I have been issued and received a gov't purchase order, which is typically 40-45 days out.
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    Both political parties are acting like 2 year olds throwing temper tantrums over a toy.

    They don't give a fat rat's @$$ about the people they represent, just the ones that line their pockets via lobbyists, PACs, SuperPacs, etc. Instead of wearing suits an ties, they whould wear NASCAR style raceing uniforms with the logos of their sponsors so we can really see who they work for.

    Rest asured that theyand their staffs will still get paid, get healthcare and such while other Federal employees get shtupped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Both political parties are acting like 2 year olds throwing temper tantrums over a toy.

    They don't give a fat rat's @$$ about the people they represent, just the ones that line their pockets via lobbyists, PACs, SuperPacs, etc. Instead of wearing suits an ties, they whould wear NASCAR style raceing uniforms with the logos of their sponsors so we can really see who they work for.

    Rest asured that theyand their staffs will still get paid, get healthcare and such while other Federal employees get shtupped.
    Hey we have Volunteer Firefighters working for no pay all over the place. Maybe it's time for Volunteer Politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Hey we have Volunteer Firefighters working for no pay all over the place. Maybe it's time for Volunteer Politicians.
    My town has volunteer politicians. While not a big fan of this phrase...it definitely fits......"you get what you pay for".
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    Got word this morning that any off-campus class that has received a "Go" is still on as scheduled. That will generally be any classes within a 45-day window that has not been cancelled due to lack of enrollment.

    Both of my classes are safe.

    All on-campus classes are cancelled until this is worked out.
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    From what I have read, from close calls as of yesterday:



    Due to the likelihood of the shutdown, the NFFF is moving its operational offices today off of the NFA campus. The campus houses the National Fallen Firefighters Memorial where next weekend’s ceremonies to honor 81 firefighters are scheduled to occur. The move will make certain that these Firefighters and their survivors are honored even if a shutdown makes the national memorial off limits. The NFFF is working on backup plans for this weekends services in the Emmitsburg area-so if you are planning to head to the memorial this coming weekend-continue your plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    From what I have read, from close calls as of yesterday:



    Due to the likelihood of the shutdown, the NFFF is moving its operational offices today off of the NFA campus. The campus houses the National Fallen Firefighters Memorial where next weekend’s ceremonies to honor 81 firefighters are scheduled to occur. The move will make certain that these Firefighters and their survivors are honored even if a shutdown makes the national memorial off limits. The NFFF is working on backup plans for this weekends services in the Emmitsburg area-so if you are planning to head to the memorial this coming weekend-continue your plans.
    The memorial will go on at the Basilica next door.

    Other agencies, including Vigilant Hose in Emmitsburg will handle the meals.

    It's unfortunate that the families, friends and members will not be able to touch and see the names but the Memorial Ceremony will still occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    The memorial will go on at the Basilica next door.

    Other agencies, including Vigilant Hose in Emmitsburg will handle the meals.

    It's unfortunate that the families, friends and members will not be able to touch and see the names but the Memorial Ceremony will still occur.
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    As expected, the National Fallen Firefighter Memorial Service planned for this weekend will not be held at the National Fire Academy-National Emergency Training Center. This is of course due to the Federal Government shutdown. Even if the politicians reach a decision today, the candlelight vigil and the annual memorial service will still NOT be held on the federal property.

    The candlelight vigil will be held Saturday evening at the Basilica (next to the NFA at the Daughters of Charity campus) while the 2013 memorial service will be in Knott Arena at Mount St. Mary's University. The cost of changing venues including meals, technical equipment, transportation and security may exceed $100,000-above and beyond the normal costs.


    Escorts, honor guards and related volunteers should contact their liaisons for further information
    Stay Safe and Well Out There....

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    I like what the Vets did at the memorial yesterday, just walked on in!!!!!!!!!!!

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    We have/had one of our command staff on campus for a two week class. As of Monday they were told by the Academy that everything was still a "go" with no planned shutdown of the campus. Then at 0900 Tuesday morning everyone was called to the auditorium and told that campus was indeed shutting down and that they all had 90 minutes to vacate the campus. Re-scheduling of return airline tickets was left to the student. Our guy said it was absolute chaos trying to get everything figured out. He still has not returned home, having had to sleep in the airport last night due to being on several standby lists but not getting a seat. He's hopeful he might get home today, but there's still no guarantee.

    I love the NFA and the education I've received there over the years has been second to none. But the fact that this sort of stuff can happen is just unacceptable to me. Get out in 90 minutes and find your own way home?! Unbelievable.

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    Love the NFA also
    Trying to defend them a little they are stuck like other fed employees, like trying to shut down an open air memorial

    Sounds like they at least got a bus ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief_Roy View Post
    Then at 0900 Tuesday morning everyone was called to the auditorium and told that campus was indeed shutting down and that they all had 90 minutes to vacate the campus. Re-scheduling of return airline tickets was left to the student.
    I realize that a "shutdown" at the Federal level is beyond the scope of what one could reasonably expect to occur, but "wow"!

    I wonder if a contingency plan will be created as a result of this? Maybe if not a contingency, maybe a disclaimer on the application so each student is aware of what can happen in the event something like this occurs again.

    If the shoe was on the other foot, a student is "banned" from the NFA for two (2) years (I think) if he or she "no shows" for a class. Since the NFA essentially "no showed" for each of the students on campus that week, he or she should, at the very least, receive priority when reapplying for the course he or she was kicked out of and sent home when the Feds shut the campus down. The "one stipend reimbursement per fiscal year" should be waived for these folks as well.

    It is amazing how "difficult" the Feds are when it comes to handling their business. I don't think Dr. Onieal and his staff had any say so in the abrupt manner the campus was closed due to the lapse in funding but "how" it locked its doors disappoints me nonetheless.

    Politicians at the local, state, and Federal level are truly are pathetic when they disregard the very people who elect them, and in our case, they very people who protect them and their families on a daily basis. Treating these emergency responders, as well as our military brothers and sisters, in this fashion is truly tasteless.

    I certainly hope the NFA is reopened (and not shuttered) when Federal funding is re-estabished.
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    Amber alerts are offline due to the government shutdown.

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/unavailable/

    I guess the National Incident Management System (NIMS) is next. With the government's mentality, emergency responders should not be allowed to utilize it since that training is Federally mandated and funded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfwfirefighter View Post
    ...I guess the National Incident Management System (NIMS) is next...
    One could only hope.
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    Our EMT Refresher class was unable to do the ICS 100 due to the shutdown
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    I thought conservatives wanted smaller government. Having things like the NFA shut down is an example of smaller government.

    What's the problem?
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    I've taken two of the longer self-study courses over the past week. They're still available, just not being updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I thought conservatives wanted smaller government. Having things like the NFA shut down is an example of smaller government.

    What's the problem?
    I am not sure what you mean by that. Will you rephrase your statement/question so that my small brain can put it into context?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I thought conservatives wanted smaller government. Having things like the NFA shut down is an example of smaller government.

    What's the problem?
    It's also an example of exactly what the federal government should be funding.
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