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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjak View Post
    I don't recall him saying exactly that.
    you haven't been around long enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjak View Post
    Clearly these are two long term members of the fire service who are very passionate about the fire service. Even before the sit down, what they had in common far out-weighed their differences. Just like the rest of us. What is also clear is that too many of us forget that at times when we hit the keyboard.
    What surprises me is that the sit down was really needed. I think both brothers have articulated their positions and their reasons for maintaining them quite well. The gap between my department (FDNY) and LAFE's vollie department is about as big as it gets. I would not expect the fire operations to be the same. There are REALLY difficult choices to be made at times by IC's regardless of the department or location. The decisions made are not always popular and even the guy making the call won't necessarily like it.
    Those who sit at their keyboard and label LAFE or anyone else a coward are way out of line. We have no obligation whatsoever to "die trying". Everything should be a CALCULATED risk, based on conditions encountered and life hazard present. Yes, the job is dangerous and brothers have been killed. But they didn't go in expecting to die. Something unforseen generally causes the deaths within fire buildings. Anyone who claims otherwise is a phony or a nutjob. I have little use for either one on the fireground.
    Excellent post. Thank you very much for your insight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    you haven't been around long enough.
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    Your right buddy --you post something that you KNOW is going to stir up controversy -and then you blow up when it happens? And you call other people trolls and attention wh0res ? You really need to step back and take a deep breath.
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    Been away at a forty hour leadership class for the last four days. ( not that anyone would notice)

    I did not feel the earth stop turning, but I did have various levels of gastro-intestinal distress over the four days. Might not be connected, but I can't rule it out now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    Your right buddy --you post something that you KNOW is going to stir up controversy -and then you blow up when it happens? And you call other people trolls and attention wh0res ? You really need to step back and take a deep breath.
    You are so right. I had no idea that mentioning having lunch with someone would open the flood gates for people to bring up stuff that was totally unrelated to having lunch and the conversation I had with him was so controversial. Interesting perhaps, but that lunch is controversial is ridiculous, and even you know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Been away at a forty hour leadership class for the last four days. ( not that anyone would notice)

    I did not feel the earth stop turning, but I did have various levels of gastro-intestinal distress over the four days. Might not be connected, but I can't rule it out now.
    I am feeling better now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    I am feeling better now.
    Excellent! Glad you are back!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    Been away at a forty hour leadership class for the last four days. ( not that anyone would notice)

    I did not feel the earth stop turning, but I did have various levels of gastro-intestinal distress over the four days. Might not be connected, but I can't rule it out now.
    Quote Originally Posted by conrad427 View Post
    I am feeling better now.
    It is illegal and immoral to quote yourself in this or any other forum. I did not make the rules. The last guy to quote himself disappeared, I think he's caught in some kind of forum limbo cyber world. Wouldn't be so bad if it was a Playboy or Maxim forum but I heard it was a Modern Water Treatment Facilities Magazine forum.
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    Had a very good time talking to Don and sharing ideas.

    Surprisingly, at no time did the restaurant staff have to remove the knives, forks or other pointy objects from the table. I would have loved to talk awhile longer, but as he said I had to get back and finish setting up my classroom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Had a very good time talking to Don and sharing ideas.

    Surprisingly, at no time did the restaurant staff have to remove the knives, forks or other pointy objects from the table. I would have loved to talk awhile longer, but as he said I had to get back and finish setting up my classroom.
    Wow!! So there are classes on how to avoid doing one's job?

    How much of your pay are you giving back. Since you believe government (at all levels) pays too much for labor.
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    It is a good thing ya'll met for lunch. Had it been breakfast, a fight would have surely broken out. One a staunch supporter of approaching the pancake aggressively and dousing it with a straight stream of maple syrup, then tearing into it with the fork ASAP. The other using a defensive approach and fogging the syrup on the pancake until it cools enough to permit safe entry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVFD705 View Post
    It is a good thing ya'll met for lunch. Had it been breakfast, a fight would have surely broken out. One a staunch supporter of approaching the pancake aggressively and dousing it with a straight stream of maple syrup, then tearing into it with the fork ASAP. The other using a defensive approach and fogging the syrup on the pancake until it cools enough to permit safe entry.
    Actually I did have pancakes.

    He did look a little bit strangely at me utilized as I used the transitional syrup attack when I initially hit the pancakes with a large flow before completing the application with a smaller flow.

    Seriously, we did have a very good conversation and I think we both left with a better understanding of the other's thought process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    It is illegal and immoral to quote yourself in this or any other forum. I did not make the rules. The last guy to quote himself disappeared, I think he's caught in some kind of forum limbo cyber world. Wouldn't be so bad if it was a Playboy or Maxim forum but I heard it was a Modern Water Treatment Facilities Magazine forum.
    Boy, I sure learned a lot at the leadership class! I now recognize this as direct and honest communication with a subordinate designed to trigger an emotional reaction. Loss of respect, legal consequences, and moral violations.
    Well done sir!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Wow!! So there are classes on how to avoid doing one's job?

    Yup.

    Are there cases on being a dumb***? Given the skills that you continually exhibit on this subject I find it likely that you are probably certified at the I, II and II levels.

    How much of your pay are you giving back. Since you believe government (at all levels) pays too much for labor.
    Given that we are still one of the lower paid fire agencies in the area ... though not by as much as in the past ... None.

    Funny thing is that in this area fire and government operated EMS are probably the lowest paid government employees, even in the better paid departments, and tend to work the longest hours. If tommarrow they told mne we had to take a 5% cut, it honestly would not be a tremendous issue with me.
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    Fyred my biggest take away from this thread is you look way too young to be retired, you lucky b@st@rd!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF-Andy View Post
    Fyred my biggest take away from this thread is you look way too young to be retired, you lucky b@st@rd!!!!!

    I thought the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I thought the same thing.
    I bet the picture was photoshopped.. LA, can you confirm?
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    Glad you guys met and were able to put a face to the name, and have a rational conversation. That's the way it should be, regardless of online squabbles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF-Andy View Post
    Fyred my biggest take away from this thread is you look way too young to be retired, you lucky b@st@rd!!!!!

    Clean living...NOT!! I can confirm that a complete lack of sleep for almost 25 years must be the reason. That or as my Mom told me as a kid that I gave people gray hair and would most likely have little of my own!!

    Less than 2 weeks away from birthday number 55! By the way, retirement is hell! Not having to get up at 5 am, not having to drive an hour and a half to the station, not having to deal with politicians and an admin that seemed to be as adversarial as they could. Yeah, it's hell alright!! I miss the guys and the banter for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I thought the same thing.
    Flat out jealousy Bobby, that's all that is!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    I bet the picture was photoshopped.. LA, can you confirm?
    Seriously Dude, you can't photoshop anything more handsome than I already am!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    Glad you guys met and were able to put a face to the name, and have a rational conversation. That's the way it should be, regardless of online squabbles.
    It was a good conversation and just like Bob said I wish it could have lasted longer. I came away with a different perspective, I can't guarantee that we won't go at it again on here, but maybe my trigger won't be such a hair trigger anymore.
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    FyredUp and LAFE peacefully and cordially coexisting?

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    And to scfire and others who continue to keep the crap going, to paraphrase Rocky in "Rocky V":

    "If FyredUp can change, then maybe youse can change!"
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