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    Default "Stewart Stevenson M1078 LMTV

    Is any using these trucks for brush trucks? We have a chance to get one for free. Some feel its to top heavy some well build right it will do fine. staying with in normal weight limits. We presently have a 1966 2 1/2 ton military truck and its about seen its last days so looking for something to replace it.

    Or has anyone used them in the military and can tell us how they handle off road.

    Ok please we know this wont ne NFPA rating but in rural American that's not always possible so please don't judge.

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    These trucks are fairly new in the military, so it's likely you are one of the first ones to use it for a brush truck. There should be manuals and info availible on this truck that will tell you EXACTLY what this truck can and cannot do weight wise, slopes and such. You won't be able to go above 500 gallons in this truck with the weight of the tank, pump and related equipment. I'd suggest a slide in unit, with class A foam for the most bang for your buck. and make sure it's a LOW as possible. If you get a manufactured slide in unit, see what kind of options you have. I don't know what kind of ROPS these newer trucks have. One of the best places to get info on military trucks is Steelsoldiers.com. There are forums and a LOT of info on just about any kind of truck, and KNOWLEDGEABLE people there. Drivers training is a MUST with these, remember that even though they're military trucks, they're not tanks.

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    Our favorite is the late 60's, early 70's series 5 tons. Don't care much for the newer 5 tons, as they have replaced some of the steel components with plastic, and they are a little too tall.

    Have not seen an M1078, but I would hesitate to use one for our department. Even with a grill guard, it looks like it would be impossible for us to keep from breaking windows with tree limbs. With our conventional cab trucks and guards, we can generally break the tree over before the limbs get in the way.

    We have purchased two newer 2.5 tons. They are slower with the automatic transmission, maybe just 45 MPH or so. Our older trucks can reach about 55. We have dualed both out, as we found the super singles weren't particularly durable, and duals will keep us operational if one tire goes down.

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    For technical information, here are two sources:

    1. Ask your local Army National Guard Armory for a copy of the technical manuals for this chassis. If you have any current or retired guard members on your FD, they would know who to request it from. Otherwise, visit the Armory during weekday business hours and request to see the unit readiness NCO. Tell them your FD obtained this chassis and are converting it to a firefighting rig. Ask for their assistance in obtaining the -10, -20, -30 and -40 series technical manuals for this chassis. Also, any lubrication orders (LO) for that chassis.

    Most local national guard units are encouraged to provide assistance to local emergency response agencies. They most likely will be happy to assist.

    2. The Roscommon Equipment Center (www.roscommonequipmentcenter.com) is operated by the Michigan State DNR. They have technical information on converting military chassis to fire service use. I looked at this website and did not really see anything about this particular chassis. Inquire with them anyway and they may be able to help or know of a resource that has expertise in it.

    A consideration, that you should be concerned about, is how to get this chasses re-painted. I would assume that your FD will want to repaint it a fire service color (red, lime green, etc.). There may be some relunctance from collision repair shops in repainting this type of chassis. Best to have several collision repair shops look at it and obtain price quotes. Some smaller shops may not have a paint booth big enough to fit it in. Some may be concerned about CARC paint, that is painted on military vehicles.

    If you have any problems finding a collision repair shop in re-painting it, you may have to consider a different chassis.
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    Thank you for all your help. Thanks for all the great idea. I checked our National Guard Armory in town and they have 3 of these exact trucks in there yard so I will be talking to them this week. Again thanks for all the help.

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    When you start reading the "10" manual it will give you a lot of information on the truck. Sometimes it seems like more than you want to know. Look up what the maximum slope that this truck can operate on.

    This is a FMTV (Family Medium Tactical Vehicles) and like the deuce and five ton it replaced the same basic chassis is used for a lot of different vehicles. Had more time in the semi version than this specific truck but they are very similar.

    Climbing in and out of this chassis is a bit of a pain, especially with all your "go to war" gear on. Bunker gear would be a little better but still a challenge. I'd remove the bed and get your water tank as low as possible because that bed is pretty high. Definitely higher than a deuce or five ton.

    They handle decent off road and can transverse some pretty good depressions. Doubt you will be fording water but they can do that as well. Maintenance is pretty basic.

    FIRE117 is right about the CARC paint. It's nasty stuff. One of the guys in my unit was looking at bidding a repaint job for the state and when he researched the paint he quickly decided not to bid it. Even the secretary in the front office would have to be wearing a respirator. The paint is chemically adhered to resist corrosion. Not just the day to day stuff but also some extreme environmental as well as chemical exposures.

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