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    Default Need your feedback...Helmet Front Holder a Snag Hazard?

    Hey gang, simply conducting research and trying to support my argument that there haven't been tons and tons of incidents where a helmet front holder on a traditional helmet killed many of our own.

    Don't shoot the messenger....but, if you wear a traditional helmet, have you ever been injured, or know of anyone injured or killed, due to the helmet front holder on a traditional helmet causing an entanglement with objects/materials during a fire?

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    No I have never been injured from my traditional helmet Nor do I know of anyone that has.

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    Please....Please for the love of god.....Please don't tell me that some anal-retentive safety nazi is trying to deny you wearing a traditional helmet due to this absolutely asinine argument. Please tell me I am being paranoid by thinking this.......

    (oh and I have been around this business for 25 years now and have been wearing leathers (including the same one given to me for my 18th bday for my volly house....to this day....) for 23 of those 25 years. So do the bulk of my firefighting friends. I have never once heard of a snag incident like this.
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    Does me no good, the dept. says I cant have a traditional helmet because it wont match the metro that they have.
    But still looks like a good product.
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    In over 30 years of traditional helmet use I have never,not one time ever, had my helmet be a snag or entanglement problem.
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    I have snagged it on air duct wire a few times but it is my fault. The eagle is so beat up and bent, it would probably snag on a rafter. So to answer your question, no I have not been killed by the helmet front holder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    I have snagged it on air duct wire a few times but it is my fault.
    Air duct wire will snag anyone anywhere regardless of the type of helmet you are wearing.

    Morning Pride had issues a few years back due to the design of the eagle on their traditional helmets. I believe they've altered the design to address the "snagging" issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfwfirefighter View Post
    Air duct wire will snag anyone anywhere regardless of the type of helmet you are wearing.

    Morning Pride had issues a few years back due to the design of the eagle on their traditional helmets. I believe they've altered the design to address the "snagging" issue.
    One of the worst tomes I got hung up was wearing the old MSA elephant trunk -somehow I managed to get a couple of helix wires from plastic duct work wrapped around and dang near tied in a half hitch around the low pressure hose (trunk)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfwfirefighter View Post
    Air duct wire will snag anyone anywhere regardless of the type of helmet you are wearing.

    Morning Pride had issues a few years back due to the design of the eagle on their traditional helmets. I believe they've altered the design to address the "snagging" issue.
    I meant that it was my fault for not repairing my damaged gear, had I stayed on top of it, it probably wouldn't hang up so easily.

    I'm more concerned with snagging my SCBA tank and regulator on something. MSA designed a perfect notch in their air bottles by the gauge to make clearing it without removing the pack, almost impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    I have snagged it on air duct wire a few times but it is my fault. The eagle is so beat up and bent, it would probably snag on a rafter. So to answer your question, no I have not been killed by the helmet front holder.
    That and the crap they use on dropped ceilings and then the throw that flexible ducting on top off it. My buddy and I had exited the building and I had made it about four feet when I rather suddenly ran out of slack.
    You stated haven't been killed by a helmet front, so what has killed you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    ...So to answer your question, no I have not been killed by the helmet front holder.
    2nd that.

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    Air duct wire will snag anyone anywhere regardless of the type of helmet you are wearing...
    Air duct wire would snag a teflon bowling ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Please....Please for the love of god.....Please don't tell me that some anal-retentive safety nazi is trying to deny you wearing a traditional helmet due to this absolutely asinine argument. Please tell me I am being paranoid by thinking this.......

    (oh and I have been around this business for 25 years now and have been wearing leathers (including the same one given to me for my 18th bday for my volly house....to this day....) for 23 of those 25 years. So do the bulk of my firefighting friends. I have never once heard of a snag incident like this.
    Unfortunately so.....that's why I'm reaching out to you guys.

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    I've never been snagged so seriously that I was trapped. Knocked my helmet off a couple times, but it's little things like this that I employ some of the old school, more dangerous, habits. I don't wear my chin strap at all unless I'm on a roof or rapelling. I'd rather it fall off than it take my squash with it.
    I know some guys are very paranoid about it to the point where they take a hammer to their brand new helmet to flatten the eagle down. We have a guy on our dept that wears a traditional with no front, no eagle or anything. Looks hideous.
    In short, stick with the classic look and train yourself to be aware that there's an extra 6" over your dome.
    And I agree with a couple of the other guys on here. Your air pack is much more likely to get you snagged.

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    Nope, but there has never been a total truss roof failure in a home or apartment that has resulted in a serious firefighter injury or death either.

    Good luck getting someone to pay attention to facts.
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    As long and there is a leather front in it, you're good. I know a few guys that for whatever reason don't have a front on their helmets and that is just looking to snag something.

    This is just a sad, sad trend in the fire service, we'll complain about these tiny 1 in a trillion safety risks while ignoring the pressing safety risks that could kill one of us today. Just a bunch of cowards that want to call themselves firefighters without having to do the job of a firefighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    In over 30 years of traditional helmet use I have never,not one time ever, had my helmet be a snag or entanglement problem.
    Same here but in my 23 years....not 30...cuz he is way older than I am!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    As long and there is a leather front in it, you're good. I know a few guys that for whatever reason don't have a front on their helmets and that is just looking to snag something.

    This is just a sad, sad trend in the fire service, we'll complain about these tiny 1 in a trillion safety risks while ignoring the pressing safety risks that could kill one of us today. Just a bunch of cowards that want to call themselves firefighters without having to do the job of a firefighter.
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