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    Just got back from Detroit, and the National Firefighter Endowment equipment distribution. Visiting the 14 stations was a real eye opener. Everyone we talked to, from the basic firefighters to the Chief of the Department, have great attitudes, but they are faced with lots of challenges.

    Can you imagine how many hoops had to be jumped through to make this happen? The city had to sign off, the FD had to sign off, the Union had to sign off, the Health and Safety committee had to sign off.

    One of the stations was ecstatic that be brought them 30 pairs of firefighting gloves. They had just exhausted their supplies, they had nothing but damaged gloves to use, and no clue when the city would get them some more.

    Another showed me how they had siliconed holes in their boots, and then when the boots cracked at the flex point above the ankle, they just got wet. He had been asking for new boots for a long time. Rubber boots where all they had.

    We were warned to make sure that we put the items directly into the hands of the firefighters, and we did so. Basic PPE, and hand tools were the biggest items.

    A great bunch of guys, with a great attitude, in a crappy situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Just got back from Detroit, and the National Firefighter Endowment equipment distribution. Visiting the 14 stations was a real eye opener. Everyone we talked to, from the basic firefighters to the Chief of the Department, have great attitudes, but they are faced with lots of challenges.

    Can you imagine how many hoops had to be jumped through to make this happen? The city had to sign off, the FD had to sign off, the Union had to sign off, the Health and Safety committee had to sign off.

    One of the stations was ecstatic that be brought them 30 pairs of firefighting gloves. They had just exhausted their supplies, they had nothing but damaged gloves to use, and no clue when the city would get them some more.

    Another showed me how they had siliconed holes in their boots, and then when the boots cracked at the flex point above the ankle, they just got wet. He had been asking for new boots for a long time. Rubber boots where all they had.

    We were warned to make sure that we put the items directly into the hands of the firefighters, and we did so. Basic PPE, and hand tools were the biggest items.

    A great bunch of guys, with a great attitude, in a crappy situation.
    Good looking out LVFD301. Politics aside, the DFD are our brothers and sisters and I'm glad they got some obviously needed equipment.

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    The solution is simple.

    Local communities handle local emergency services.

    No more grants for fire, police or EMS including Homeland Security money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Just got back from Detroit, and the National Firefighter Endowment equipment distribution. Visiting the 14 stations was a real eye opener. Everyone we talked to, from the basic firefighters to the Chief of the Department, have great attitudes, but they are faced with lots of challenges.

    Can you imagine how many hoops had to be jumped through to make this happen? The city had to sign off, the FD had to sign off, the Union had to sign off, the Health and Safety committee had to sign off.

    One of the stations was ecstatic that be brought them 30 pairs of firefighting gloves. They had just exhausted their supplies, they had nothing but damaged gloves to use, and no clue when the city would get them some more.

    Another showed me how they had siliconed holes in their boots, and then when the boots cracked at the flex point above the ankle, they just got wet. He had been asking for new boots for a long time. Rubber boots where all they had.

    We were warned to make sure that we put the items directly into the hands of the firefighters, and we did so. Basic PPE, and hand tools were the biggest items.

    A great bunch of guys, with a great attitude, in a crappy situation.
    Now......not to pee in anyone's Wheaties here, but what happens next time that the DFD needs materials and equipment? Will the City Admin and the bean counters say to them "Meh.....go ask that charitable group?"

    Part of me thinks it was a great idea- get them the equipment they need.......Part of me also thinks it should not have been done. The City of Detroit should have gotten them their equipment. And if the City won't get it for them, then they should just flat out refuse to do their jobs, period.
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    Im just gonna dummy this one down. Our brothers need help and equipment. Which may just keep DFD from having a LODD related to understaffing, broken trucks, and worn out equipment. Federal, and State governments give away absurd amounts of money to less worthy causes. Whether or not Detroit is able to pull out of its financial decline is yet to be determined, but at least now our brothers have a fighting chance to properly protect the city while the dipshizts running the city try to turn things around.

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    Ok -where I live a large percentage of people move/live here for the lower property taxes and little regulations. As a result , in many places fire/emergency services are "substandard" - when the local fire services play the poor me / underfunded card, do you think they should be subsidized also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    The point is by no fault of their own, DFD firefighters respond to more fire than all of the departments in this thread combined with worn out gear, broken or missing tools and less than proper staffing. You buy a shirt, they get a saw. Or boots. Or whatever.

    As usual the same crowd caused the discussion to veer off track with political BS that has nothing to do with the point of the thread.
    Well, the fire department is a service of this city's government. Whether you support donating gear to them or not, the politics of why the city is so broke that it cannot provide them is logically part of the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    The point is by no fault of their own, DFD firefighters respond to more fire than all of the departments in this thread combined with worn out gear, broken or missing tools and less than proper staffing. You buy a shirt, they get a saw. Or boots. Or whatever.

    As usual the same crowd caused the discussion to veer off track with political BS that has nothing to do with the point of the thread.
    Nothing to do with the point of this thread? A little obtuse don't you think? The reason that this thread exists is precisely because of political BS. Why should the DFD have to rely on fundraisers to get basic, essential equipment such as gloves, boots, helmets, coats, saws, hooks, axes. etc....NEVERMIND thermal cameras, new rigs or how about god forbid just getting the existing rigs repaired???? How about decent facilities that dont have raw sewage running through the basements? No leaking pipes or broken windows? Heat and air conditioning? Why shouldn't we discuss the political BS that has led to this predicament? Why? Why? Why? And if this keeps up, why SHOULDN'T the bean counters tell them next time they ask for something "No sorry- go ask that Leary Foundation or have a fundraiser."
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    Time for the Detroit Firefighters to join the ranks of their rural FD Brothers and Sisters and start running chicken dinners, raffles, dances, car washes, and more, to fund their needed equipment. Run it thought a seperate organization so the city can't touch the money.

    We do it all the time and it seems to be okay with the majority here on FH.com, so why not?
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    I could not care less about the politics of Detroit. What I do care about is the people on the front lines who are doing their best to save lives and property in Detroit. When the money runs out, so will the donations, so it is not a long term fix, and I think that anyone with half a shred of common sense will know that - but of course people with half a shred of common sense would not have put the city in the situation that it is.

    Should it not have been done? I was cautious at first - I tend to try to help more rural departments first, but after talking with these guys, seeing how bad it really is, I will do all I can to help.

    The only politics I even thought about is how much it must get ****burger that part of the group was composed of volunteer firefighters..... I rolled on the floor thinking about how that must burn his arse

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