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    Default SCBA testing issues

    Has anyone else received notification of testing errors for the 2013 standard? Letter below from our MSA rep last week.

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    Notification starts here



    SCBA Delays and Delivery

    We were notified by MSA recently of a letter they received from NIOSH informing them that errors were made by Edgewood (government CBRN test lab) during 2013 Edition SCBA testing. The effect is that CBRN testing will need to be performed again. This testing is to take place after January 1, 2014, and to be completed by April 1, 2014.

    To summarize:
    • The Edgewood test lab incorrectly performed CBRN testing, which will result repeat testing
    • All CBRN SCBA testing conducted between July, 2012 and October, 2013 was affected, not just MSA's
    • Testing is planned to be repeated between January 1, 2014, and April 1, 2014
    We are monitoring the situation closely and will continue to provide you with additional information as we receive it. To help understand the impact, we have noted some common questions and their answers below.


    Given this news, when does MSA expect to receive NFPA certification on the M7XT?

    The certification date is uncertain. Based on the news, CBRN testing should be completed by April 1, 2014, however it could be completed before then. It can also take several weeks to receive a certification letter once testing is completed.

    When will MSA begin shipping the M7XT?

    MSA will begin shipping open orders once they have received their certification.

    Will there be another NFPA TIA to extend the shipment period for 2007 Edition units past the current February 28, 2014 deadline?

    MSA does not know if there will be another extension. MSA is in contact with the NFPA committee and will advise when they know more.

    What about those customers who are relying on AFG grants that are expiring?

    MSA has contacted the AFG administration, and they have informed us that they will grant extensions on a case by case basis. NIOSH and other agencies are also working with the AFG on this critical funding issue. MSA encourages customers to contact their local AFG representative to gain an extension.

    Will MSA allow customers to convert M7XT orders to M7 orders?

    Yes, MSA will convert M7XT orders to M7 orders if customers desire.

    We will continue to keep you informed as more information is provided to us. If you should have any questions please feel free to contact us.


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    Been out for a while that was the case with all testing. The extension comment is for 2012 awards, won't be an issue for 2013s since you have 12 months from award date which will be until 2015 at this point.

    I thought everyone was already cleared again, several others have already done their recerts, thought MSA was one of them. AFG isn't grant extensions if you want to buy a specific brand because brand has nothing to do with interoperability. Changing cylinders isn't an acceptable reason since that's not done, and since all packs have UACs everyone is interoperable from that standpoint.

    So no matter who it is, if the time comes to get the award money spent and there is a 2013 certified pack on the market from anyone odds are there will be no extensions granted. Awards are for a product not a name brand, always been that way.

    But like I said, thought everyone had already gotten handled with the retesting, most of this came out over the summer. Swore we had someone buy MSAs already that were cleared.

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    We have already gone through our selection process and selected the Avon Deltair 2013 edition. As far as I knew they were already good to go for production based on the fact they had already passed previous NIOSH testing. Not sure how this will impact our delivery, which is scheduled for mid-January.

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    I received this email today from the US Fire Administration

    The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) employs the Army Edgewood Chemical Biological Center's (ECBC) Test Laboratory to conduct the Chemical Warfare Agent (CWA) testing portion of Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear (CBRN) testing. These services support the NIOSH respirator approvals providing CBRN protections. On November 18, 2013, ECBC notified NIOSH of errors with some of its test data. ECBC's internal assessment of these data indicates that concentrations of the CWAs used in testing were less than that required by NIOSH test procedures. Testing conducted during the period of July 2012 through October 2013 is affected. The majority of the affected testing was conducted in support of NFPA 1981, 2013 edition approvals in process. NIOSH evaluations for granting approval for CBRN protection require a broad range of testing in order to ensure protection at the levels indicated on the approval labels. The particular tests in question relate only to the ability of the respirator configurations to protect against CWAs. The affected respirator configurations will provide all of the non-CBRN protections for which the NIOSH approvals are issued. The non-CBRN protections are verified by NIOSH-conducted tests and evaluations. These NIOSH-conducted tests have not been compromised by the errors discovered in the CWA testing. However, the affected respirator configurations MUST NOT BE USED TO PROVIDE PROTECTION AGAINST CWA HAZARDS until retesting has verified that these protections are provided.

    Hopefuly this helps you out.

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    In speaking yesterday with a MSA factory rep they confirm the information above that just before Thanksgiving they were notified that the test agents used were incorrect and the CBRN testing will have to be repeated. He stated that no deliveries can or will be made by any mfg. until the testing has been completed. They estimate the earliest we could see shipments would be May. He also stated that their is some conversations that the MFG's are working together to try and get FEMA to give a blanket extension due to the errors.

    IF I hear more I will post

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    If you were in that great of a need for SCBA because yours were worn out, over 2 cycles old, and you couldn't afford new ones, how can you wait? I thought the grants were based on needs not wants.

    I understand that if you wait another 6 months your pack will be current for an additional 3 years, but does that make any real difference in the life of the SCBA? Or is it just another planned obsolescence?

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    Hi All:
    FYI….

    Date03/21/2014
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    Scott Safety Press Release

    https://www.scottsafety.com/en/us/Pa...and+Air-Pak+75

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    We have been told by our dealers that both Scott and MSA have received their approvals to begin producing and selling 2013 SCBAs. This includes the new G1 from MSA.

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