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    Quote Originally Posted by fire49 View Post
    Agree if an officer has been summoned or subpoena they have to show

    But not for every single ticket they write
    Perhaps not in Pennsylvania, but in Virginia, the officer DOES have to appear in court for each summons [ticket] that is issued. Court dates are assigned to the officers ahead of time, so the officer will know ahead of time what time/date to write on the summons and will also know which days he has to appear in court.

    Should the violators pre-pay the fine, or don't show for their case (in which case they're found guilt in abstentia), then the officer's appearance in court is very short. However, usually about half of the violators will appear to contest the summons, which is why the officer is required to appear in court - to refute or substantiate the claims of the defendant.

    So in closing, yes, in our Commonwealth they do appear in court for each summons issued - which is usually 2-4 times per month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Perhaps not in Pennsylvania, but in Virginia, the officer DOES have to appear in court for each summons [ticket] that is issued. Court dates are assigned to the officers ahead of time, so the officer will know ahead of time what time/date to write on the summons and will also know which days he has to appear in court.

    Should the violators pre-pay the fine, or don't show for their case (in which case they're found guilt in abstentia), then the officer's appearance in court is very short. However, usually about half of the violators will appear to contest the summons, which is why the officer is required to appear in court - to refute or substantiate the claims of the defendant.

    So in closing, yes, in our Commonwealth they do appear in court for each summons issued - which is usually 2-4 times per month.
    That is a lot of cop time

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire49 View Post
    That is a lot of cop time
    Yes, generally 2-4 hours per court date, generally 1-3 times per month (not including non-traffic cases), it does add up - especially if your court dates fall on your days off.

    One of the many reasons I went to school for law enforcement but wised up and became a firefighter instead.

    OK, enough about Virginia court cases, back to the original discussion...
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    tarek: you have a severe case of whackeritus even by NJ standards. You have more lights than allowable by state law and might even be more than most cruisers.

    Second: you were responding from a neighboring town with no jollie vollies with delusions of granduer.

    third: you were in the wrong

    fourth : Pay the fine and sell the excess light to cover the costs.

    fifth: don't expect everyone to be impressed with all you jollie volly lights.
    Especially law enforcement.Be glad it wasn't a state trooper, you might have spent the night in lock up.
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    I don't expect anyone to be impressed with anything. I made my car that way because I like it that way. Is anything hanging from your mirrors? Well that my friend is against the law, remove whatever it is and sell it to pay for court costs incase you get a ticket in the future. I don't tell you what to do with your vehicle, don't tell me what to do with mine. Never said I wasn't wrong, I was asking if anyone has gotten out of a dl ticket, thats it. My only point in mentioning the lights was to put in there that I thought the officer should of had some professional courtesy.

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    Let me start by saying I don't really care what you think in regards to the amount of lights in my car. I see it fit, and my local LEO's don't have a problem with it. I have checked my squad and borough regulations, per my squad there is no response distance limitation and per my borough the response area is limited to 3 miles from any point of sayrevilles borders, which I was within. I haven't registered my vehicle in NJ because my vehicle is financed through a PA Credit Union, when I used to live in pennsylvania. That credit union doesn't have a NJ Corp Code with the NJ DMV and therefor cannot register a lien with them. As a result, I will have to have PA tags until the vehicle is paid off. I have a NJ license. Sorry if I'm a little snippy, but I'm not here to be lectured about the amount of lights I have. I understand the consequences of my actions and am responsible enough to handle the repercussions. Just like I could easily pay the $190 without selling any of my lights, I just don't want to pay the fine for going to grab some food after being on crew for 12 hours and accidentally forgetting my wallet in my rig.

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    My take on all of this is
    1. The cop is a giant ******bag.
    2. Cops here can run your SS# and see if you have a valid licence. Or they issue a citation that allows you to present your license within X amount of days and the citation is dropped. I don't understand why they can't do that in NJ.
    3. What's with the restrictions on lights?? We put them all over our rigs for a reason, so we can be seen. Why do they want just enough warning lights to get you into trouble?
    4. NJ is a jacked up state.

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    You keep missing the point. The officer showed you a great deal of courtesy. He didn't have to call Sayreville to check out your story but he did. He didn't have to let you drive off without your drivers license instead of impounding your car since there was no licensed driver to operate your vehicle but he did. He could have written you up for the blatantly illegal blue light set up or called Sayreville PD and have them yank your permit but he didn't.
    But to answer your question again, go to court early on your trial date with all your paperwork including your valid NJ drivers license, registration, proof of insurance and blue light permit. Meet with the prosecutor and ask if there is anything he can do. At this point it is out of the officers' hands and up to the prosecutor. If you can't get a break there, I don't think the judge is going to cut you any slack but you can try "Guilty with an explanation" defense. Some judges won't hear it but you might as well go down swinging at that point.
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    Other suggestion is to call the walk up pay window or or go in person to the window, the next few days

    Ask the question if I show I had a valid license do I get a break on the fine

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    No young whacker: I don't have anything hanging off my mirror, I don't have hundreds/thousands of dollars in special whacker lighting on my vehicle and no I don't need to have them to respond.

    Get over yourself. You are a member of FAS in NJ.

    Last time i was in NJ to pick up a new ambulance at the factory, we were standing outside the Hilton Inn where we spent the night and enjoying our morning coffee when a beat up 20 year old toyota supra came screaming by with more lights & strobes than our new ambulance.
    While talking to the front desk manager he replied that that guy was the head chief of the local FAS and had been ticketed more times than carter has liver pills , yet he still insisted on driving like an arse and lighting up the world like he was important.

    You should check with the state motor vehicle office as usually they require you to register a vehicle in state within a few months of living there. They don't care where you have a loan, they want their tax money.

    Since we now know what squad you ride with it will be easy to drop a dime to the revenuers from NJ.

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    I see many problems with the original poster.

    1) Don't come asking advice and then get snotty when people don't give you what you want to hear.
    2) Don't further damage relations between police and fire by violating the laws of the community you are in and then expecting a courtesy release.
    3) Don't expect any kind of break when you freely admit on an international forum that your light set-up vioates state law for having too many lights.
    4) Grow up and accept responsibility and the consequences for you actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I see many problems with the original poster.

    1) Don't come asking advice and then get snotty when people don't give you what you want to hear.
    2) Don't further damage relations between police and fire by violating the laws of the community you are in and then expecting a courtesy release.
    3) Don't expect any kind of break when you freely admit on an international forum that your light set-up vioates state law for having too many lights.
    4) Grow up and accept responsibility and the consequences for you actions.
    What he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    No young whacker: I don't have anything hanging off my mirror, I don't have hundreds/thousands of dollars in special whacker lighting on my vehicle and no I don't need to have them to respond.

    Get over yourself. You are a member of FAS in NJ.

    Last time i was in NJ to pick up a new ambulance at the factory, we were standing outside the Hilton Inn where we spent the night and enjoying our morning coffee when a beat up 20 year old toyota supra came screaming by with more lights & strobes than our new ambulance.
    While talking to the front desk manager he replied that that guy was the head chief of the local FAS and had been ticketed more times than carter has liver pills , yet he still insisted on driving like an arse and lighting up the world like he was important.

    You should check with the state motor vehicle office as usually they require you to register a vehicle in state within a few months of living there. They don't care where you have a loan, they want their tax money.

    Since we now know what squad you ride with it will be easy to drop a dime to the revenuers from NJ.
    I could even give you their local phone number if you would like? Ive been ticketed for it twice and bith times won it in court. Believe me id rather NJ plates and reg phuladelphia tax is 16 percent jersey is 7 so please if you would like to help me figure it out give me a call.

    Lets not all forget thay were on the same side, so with that being said ill take all of your advise "woth a grain of salt", and move on.

    Thank you to everyone to helped me out.

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    It's people like you that make life difficult for the rest of us. You believe that you are above the law and are entitled to special privileges. You don't realize that the rest of us are judged by your actions too.

    I am going to change my advice to you. Before you go to court, take all your personal belongings out of your car. Because when the prosecutor see's that PA registration he isn't going to buy that **** and bull story about the credit union. Then you are going to have to explain why you are two towns outside of Sayreville to get food for your crew. I know there are plenty of places for food in Sayerville so there is no need for you to drive thru Perth Amboy or East Brunswick to get to Edison. Then you are going to have to tell the judge the legal precedent that allows you to ignore the law that says TWO lights not eight. Then you better just plead guilty to operating your car without your license. The reason I said that you should clean out your car is because the prosecutor is going to ask that your car be impounded until you get your paperwork straightened out so you might want to have a friend available to drive you to DMV to get that done. Oh that's after you pay your fines. Bring lots of cash or a credit card, they won't take a check. BTW if the prosecutor is the Joe Lombardi I think it is, this is pretty much a sure thing. He was a tight *** in high school and I bet age has not mellowed him.

    In closing I just want to say that I have one blue light in my POV and nothing hanging from the mirror. If you were on my squad you would be suspended for 60 days and not allowed to respond to calls until you fixed your lights and got your car registration in order. The liability you are opening your squad to is enormous. If something was to happen while you were responding to a call and the other driver said that your lights distracted them, your insurance company would drop you in a second and your town and squad would be on the hook for allowing you to disregard the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBFunk View Post
    It's people like you that make life difficult for the rest of us. You believe that you are above the law and are entitled to special privileges. You don't realize that the rest of us are judged by your actions too.

    I am going to change my advice to you. Before you go to court, take all your personal belongings out of your car. Because when the prosecutor see's that PA registration he isn't going to buy that **** and bull story about the credit union. Then you are going to have to explain why you are two towns outside of Sayreville to get food for your crew. I know there are plenty of places for food in Sayerville so there is no need for you to drive thru Perth Amboy or East Brunswick to get to Edison. Then you are going to have to tell the judge the legal precedent that allows you to ignore the law that says TWO lights not eight. Then you better just plead guilty to operating your car without your license. The reason I said that you should clean out your car is because the prosecutor is going to ask that your car be impounded until you get your paperwork straightened out so you might want to have a friend available to drive you to DMV to get that done. Oh that's after you pay your fines. Bring lots of cash or a credit card, they won't take a check. BTW if the prosecutor is the Joe Lombardi I think it is, this is pretty much a sure thing. He was a tight *** in high school and I bet age has not mellowed him.

    In closing I just want to say that I have one blue light in my POV and nothing hanging from the mirror. If you were on my squad you would be suspended for 60 days and not allowed to respond to calls until you fixed your lights and got your car registration in order. The liability you are opening your squad to is enormous. If something was to happen while you were responding to a call and the other driver said that your lights distracted them, your insurance company would drop you in a second and your town and squad would be on the hook for allowing you to disregard the law.
    Ive been cordial to this point but you my sir can go f*ck yourself with a long spiked bat. Who the f*ck are you to tell me what to do with my car?

    You can google it as to why I cant transfer my registration to nj with an out of state lender. Better yet call the DMV. Regardless, I have a blue permit from Pennsylvania as well as I was a volunteer out there as well. I never said I was entitled to any special privileges I said you would think the cop would understand why I forgot the wallet in my rig.

    Thats fantastic for your squad, glad im not there. I dont bother anyone with my lights and thus I dont get bothered about my lights. And if you know sayreville go ahead and tell me more than 4 places that good food can be picked up that you wouldnt get sick of after eating there almost daily. If you really know sayreville as well as you say you do you would clearly know that edison connects to sayreville by the driscoll bridge where briefly, for about 2 minutes, your in woodbridge while on the driscoll.

    Enough is enough already.

    I said thank you and wished you all the best in your endeavors.

    So in closing I would like to say thats fantastic for you and your one light, luckily I can afford to buy more than 1 light and can afford to pay any fones associated with having more than one light. I cant stand hypocritical a*sh*oles.

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    Let us all hope your third strike will resolve the issue. hopefully the prosecuter will research your history & ask the judge to throw the book at you.
    WE are not all brothers here young whacker.
    As I posted earlier in this thread you are a jolly vollie with a NJ FAS. You are not abouve the law.
    You are not special. You give all members of the profession a bad reputation and cause many officials to paint all volunteers with the same paint brush.

    Don't need the phone number as the call has already been made to the state.

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    """There is something called professional courtesy"""""

    I do not expect that, and I do not ask for it, and I gave up along time ago flashing the badge, and I have two of them fd and pd

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    Let us all hope your third strike will resolve the issue. hopefully the prosecuter will research your history & ask the judge to throw the book at you.
    WE are not all brothers here young whacker.
    As I posted earlier in this thread you are a jolly vollie with a NJ FAS. You are not abouve the law.
    You are not special. You give all members of the profession a bad reputation and cause many officials to paint all volunteers with the same paint brush.

    Don't need the phone number as the call has already been made to the state.
    Never said we were all brothers. I said were on the same side, which we are. I hope the brush they're using is a bright colored blue.

    As far as being special thats not what my 3rd grade teacher told me. And stop calling me young, I may be young but im more mature than you will ever know.

    Not sure what youve been referring to when you say "jolly vollie" kinda sounds like you like little children that youre trying to lure somewhere.

    Damn, did you really call the state? Why woul....LOL. Real quick, ask me if I care. You know where your phone call will go? About as far as you did in life...


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    "If you have a title with a lienVisit your local*MVC Agency*to obtain an application to release the titleLienholders must have a 15-digit*NJ corporation code (corpcode)*to issue a NJ titleMail completed form to the lien holder the lien holder will then send the title to MVC agency deignated on the application to release titleMVC will notify you when you can return to the Agency to complete a sales tax form and Application for Certificate of Ownership (OS/SS-7)Pay $85 title feeThe New Jersey title will then be sent to the lien holder"

    "There are also exemtions that allow temporary non-residency registration for motor vehciles, for example students or military personal qualify"

    Guess what? Im a college student in PA...

    Guess what? Even if I wasnt my lien holder has no NJ Corp Code go ahead look it up Pennsylvania State Employees Credit Union...ill wait....

    So on that note, your argument is invalid and I sure do hope that someone issues me a citation that ill fight and win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarek.hassan204 View Post
    Never said we were all brothers. I said were on the same side, which we are. I hope the brush they're using is a bright colored blue.

    As far as being special thats not what my 3rd grade teacher told me. And stop calling me young, I may be young but im more mature than you will ever know.

    Not sure what youve been referring to when you say "jolly vollie" kinda sounds like you like little children that youre trying to lure somewhere.

    Damn, did you really call the state? Why woul....LOL. Real quick, ask me if I care. You know where your phone call will go? About as far as you did in life...


    http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Vehicle/N...ansferring.htm

    "If you have a title with a lienVisit your local*MVC Agency*to obtain an application to release the titleLienholders must have a 15-digit*NJ corporation code (corpcode)*to issue a NJ titleMail completed form to the lien holder – the lien holder will then send the title to MVC agency deignated on the application to release titleMVC will notify you when you can return to the Agency to complete a sales tax form and Application for Certificate of Ownership (OS/SS-7)Pay $85 title feeThe New Jersey title will then be sent to the lien holder"

    "There are also exemtions that allow temporary non-residency registration for motor vehciles, for example students or military personal qualify"

    Guess what? Im a college student in PA...

    Guess what? Even if I wasnt my lien holder has no NJ Corp Code go ahead look it up Pennsylvania State Employees Credit Union...ill wait....

    So on that note, your argument is invalid and I sure do hope that someone issues me a citation that ill fight and win.
    When I read this , I thought -about Paul Harvey -where is the rest of the story? And I was right - another self important wanna be that not, only is he still *****ting yellow, but he doesn't give a crap if his actions dump his Gerber infused crap on the rest of us ,that try our best to paint the fire service in a good light. Gotta just ask about your little tale there junior -if your first run crew were tied up, don't you guys have mutual aid. I don't know about all of New Jersey, but the parts of it I have been in , have FDs on two foot centers. Grow up
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    What's with the attitude. Don't like the possibility that you could be in big trouble? You came here looking for help but everytime you post, you bring up something else illegal that you are doing. Driving without your license, too many lights, not having you car registered in NJ

    Listen, here's some more free help for you. The link you posted isn't the right one. That's for transferring the title. The one you need is: http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Vehicle/N...gistration.htm.
    Hopefully you can get your registration fixed before court. I really recommend getting things straightened out before hand. I don't know what you are going to do about getting a NJ insurance card but that's the choices you made.

    Let us know how it turns out
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    Serious question: if NJ & PA are courtesy light states, what's the reason for loading your personal vehicle with hundreds of dollars worth of strobes and LED's if they don't grant you any privileges?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Serious question: if NJ & PA are courtesy light states, what's the reason for loading your personal vehicle with hundreds of dollars worth of strobes and LED's if they don't grant you any privileges?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarek.hassan204 View Post
    Never said we were all brothers. I said were on the same side, which we are. I hope the brush they're using is a bright colored blue.

    You have no understanding of Brotherhood at all. You are so typical of your generation. You believe you are special because if you didn't you would just follow the law. You have said here repeatedly that you KNOW your car is in violation of the law but that you don't care.


    As far as being special thats not what my 3rd grade teacher told me. And stop calling me young, I may be young but im more mature than you will ever know.

    Oh my GOD! That is some of the funniest crap I have ever read on here. You mature?

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!


    Not sure what youve been referring to when you say "jolly vollie" kinda sounds like you like little children that youre trying to lure somewhere.

    This is your idea of mature discourse? You are just making yourself look ridiculous every time you post.

    Damn, did you really call the state? Why woul....LOL. Real quick, ask me if I care. You know where your phone call will go? About as far as you did in life...

    Um, he has gone farther than you ever will JUNIOR!


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    "If you have a title with a lienVisit your local*MVC Agency*to obtain an application to release the titleLienholders must have a 15-digit*NJ corporation code (corpcode)*to issue a NJ titleMail completed form to the lien holder – the lien holder will then send the title to MVC agency deignated on the application to release titleMVC will notify you when you can return to the Agency to complete a sales tax form and Application for Certificate of Ownership (OS/SS-7)Pay $85 title feeThe New Jersey title will then be sent to the lien holder"

    "There are also exemtions that allow temporary non-residency registration for motor vehciles, for example students or military personal qualify"

    Guess what? Im a college student in PA...

    Guess what? Even if I wasnt my lien holder has no NJ Corp Code go ahead look it up Pennsylvania State Employees Credit Union...ill wait....

    So on that note, your argument is invalid and I sure do hope that someone issues me a citation that ill fight and win.
    You are apathetic little man who brings crap storms down on the fire service with your spoiled brat attitude.
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    Serious Answer.

    It being a courtesy light in NJ is a thing of the past. I believe it was Gov. Whitman who signed into law what our current law is and Blue Emergency Lights are just that. Emergency lights. They do not grant any special privileges when it comes to the law to the person operating the vehicle. Technically, Police Cars, Fire Truck and Ambulances also do not receive any special privileges. What emergency lights do is require other drivers to yield the right of way to the emergency vehicle. If they do not, they can be ticketed but it does not allow you to then go and break the law. You must wait for all vehicles on the road to YIELD you the right of way. And technically according to state law if you have a blue light permit you may operate you emergency lights in any town while responding to an emergency in your jurisdiction. Obviously some prudence here is required and your local department may have rules and regulations but that doesn't mean you can be summons for breaking that.

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