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    Are there standards for footwear when extricating? I have not been successful finding sources which explain type of footwear required. Can regular work boots or sneakers be worn is what I'm getting asked by members and I tell them no but is there anything out there to back that up? And this is when wearing extrication gear, not structural firefighting gear.


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    You are talking like at a car wreck??

    Department policy

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    Yes vehicle extrication. I'll check OSHA again. Department policy is what we have in place but I am looking for it in writing. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 206 View Post
    Yes vehicle extrication. I'll check OSHA again. Department policy is what we have in place but I am looking for it in writing. Thanks
    Probably will not find it , they do not wear bunker gear and boots required with the bunker gear

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    Any USAR type boot should be good. Anyone asking if they can wear sneakers probably shouldn't be doing extrication.

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    Why is there a need for special gear for extrication? What's wrong with using bunker gear and the boots that you use with your bunker gear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Why is there a need for special gear for extrication? What's wrong with using bunker gear and the boots that you use with your bunker gear?
    Im with FyredUp here. Seems like a waste of money. Bunker gear is overall great protection for extrications. I would make it mandatory for personnel with tools in hand to be fully bunkered out with eye protection in place, w/ no exceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Why is there a need for special gear for extrication? What's wrong with using bunker gear and the boots that you use with your bunker gear?
    Because, not in every jurisduction does the FD do extrication. Seen it where it has been an EMS or PD function, they don't use bunker gear, they use extrication suits because they don't need the expensive and extra bulky bunker gear. It isn't always about us.

    Quote Originally Posted by 206 View Post
    Are there standards for footwear when extricating? I have not been successful finding sources which explain type of footwear required. Can regular work boots or sneakers be worn is what I'm getting asked by members and I tell them no but is there anything out there to back that up? And this is when wearing extrication gear, not structural firefighting gear.
    NFPA 1951 Standard on Protective Ensembles for Technical Rescue covers the requirements for boots.
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    NFPA 1951: DOCUMENT SCOPE
    1.1* Scope. 1.1.1 This standard shall specify the minimum design, performance, testing, and certification requirements for utility technical rescue, rescue and recovery technical rescue, and chemicals, biological agents, and radiological particulate [also known as chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) technical rescue] protective ensembles for use by emergency services personnel during technical rescue incidents. 1.1.2 This standard shall also specify the minimum requirements for the various elements of the utility technical rescue ensembles and the rescue and recovery technical rescue protective ensembles, including garments, helmets, gloves, footwear, interface, and eye and face protection devices. 1.1.3* This standard shall also specify the minimum requirements for the respiratory protection for the CBRN technical rescue protective ensembles. 1.1.4 This standard shall not specify requirements for respiratory protection equipment for technical rescue utility and technical rescue and recovery protective ensembles; those requirements are specified by NIOSH in 42 CFR 84, and by OSHA in 29 CFR 1910.134. 1.1.5 This standard shall not establish criteria for water or wilderness operations. 1.1.6* This standard shall not specify requirements for any visibility markings. 1.1.7 This standard shall not establish criteria for protection from ionizing radiation. 1.1.8 This standard shall not establish criteria for protection for any fire-fighting operations or hazardous materials emergencies. 1.1.9* This standard shall not specify requirements for accessories that could be attached to any ensemble or ensemble element but are not required for the ensemble or element to meet the requirements of this standard. 1.1.10 Certification of technical rescue protective ensembles or ensemble elements to the requirements of this standard shall not preclude certification to additional applicable standards where the protective ensemble or ensemble elements meet all the applicable requirements of the other standards. 1.1.11 This standard shall not be construed as addressing all the safety concerns associated with the use of compliant protective ensembles or elements. It shall be the responsibility of the persons and organizations that use compliant protective ensembles or elements to establish safety and health practices and to determine the applicability of regulatory limitations prior to use. 1.1.12 This standard shall not be construed as addressing all the safety concerns, if any, associated with the use of this standard by testing facilities. It shall be the responsibility of the persons and organizations that use this standard to conduct testing of protective ensembles or elements to establish safety and health practices and to determine the applicability of regulatory limitations prior to using this standard for any designing, manufacturing, and testing. 1.1.13 Nothing herein shall restrict any jurisdiction or manufacturer from exceeding these minimum requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    Because, not in every jurisduction does the FD do extrication. Seen it where it has been an EMS or PD function, they don't use bunker gear, they use extrication suits because they don't need the expensive and extra bulky bunker gear. It isn't always about us.

    NFPA 1951 Standard on Protective Ensembles for Technical Rescue covers the requirements for boots.
    I would still prefer bunker gear over some thinner jumpsuit ensemble. More bump and cut protection, as well as protection against heat if there is a fire. Probably why I don't like extrication gloves all that much. A good fitting pair of firefighting gloves will do everything a pair of synthetic, nylon gloves will do, except burn.

    Whether it is "always about us" or not it is still "ALL ABOUT SAFETY" and frankly I don't believe that you are protected adequately without bunker gear. You opinion may vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I would still prefer bunker gear over some thinner jumpsuit ensemble. More bump and cut protection, as well as protection against heat if there is a fire. Probably why I don't like extrication gloves all that much. A good fitting pair of firefighting gloves will do everything a pair of synthetic, nylon gloves will do, except burn.

    Whether it is "always about us" or not it is still "ALL ABOUT SAFETY" and frankly I don't believe that you are protected adequately without bunker gear. You opinion may vary.

    There are many reasons why separate extrication gear is a good idea. First off, I don't like getting battery acid, antifreeze, and especially flammable liquids like fuel and oil on gear I'm going to wear in a working fire. It's less expensive, $300 vs $1200 (approx.), so I'm not tearing up more expensive gear on broken glass and sharp metal edges or crawling around on asphalt. And a lot of that type gear meets basic wild land standards for fire, so you do have some protection against fire. On a hot day, you are a lot cooler and less fatigued. You aren't doing entry in this kind of gear, so you really don't need full structural gear. If you're doing extrication, someone should be on a charged handline anyway.

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    We made the switch from ambulance extrication to fire dept. a long time ago.
    I would not want us to go back because i think we are better protected than the ambulance crew. I always shudder when i see an EMT wearing synthetic at a wreck. Not sure about the regs but i would wear something Nomex if i was not going to wear bunker gear.
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