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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodbridge View Post
    There are a bunch of Pierce pumpers around New Jersey, with a Mack CF chassis under them. What other than there own chassis, did Pierce build on ?
    Thousands of Ford (Budd) C-Cab chassis, Jimmies, Chevys, and a ton of other commercial builder chassis.
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    johnsb, Angry?? Not hardly. Just pointing out your hypocracy...

    No hypocrisy at all. I stated quite clearly that I can appreciate the creature comforts of a modern piece of fire apparatus. I am not however ready to toss the old on the scrap heap of your obsolesence. There are many places that would look at my Mack as a gift from God.

    But I do hope you enjoy running your engine, yes they were very nice back in the day.

    I enjoy the heck out of my engine. I like the head turns when I run it down the road.
    Today I bought her a present. A brand new 6 foot FDNY roof hook. Every day is a step closer to getting her fully equipped again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodbridge View Post
    There are a bunch of Pierce pumpers around New Jersey, with a Mack CF chassis under them. What other than there own chassis, did Pierce build on ?
    When I was just getting into this industry they would build on anyone's chassis because they did not have their own. It wasn't until the introduction of the Pierce Arrow at the end of the '70s that things started to change. The most popular product of they had that I sold was the Suburban model based on the C9000 Ford tilt cab with a 3208 Cat. I remember them distinctly. Top sped was 61 MPH. I swear they couldn't go faster if they fell off a cliff. After one long drive in a demo unit during a snowstorm I pulled into a gas station and found that I had snow on my boots before I got out of the cab. The Suburban was their bread and butter for well over 15 years, probably closer to 25.

    If I remember correctly, Oshkosh built the running rails for the Arrow when it was introduced and Pierce finished them off. Later, Pierce started building them up from scratch. Back then Pierce had a decent market in utility bodies for power companies and was building bodies for Horton ambulances so fire apparatus was not their only market but was quickly overtaking all other aspects due to a very good dealer network.

    I think those utility bodies are how Pierce developed a relationship with Snorkel but am not totally sure about that. I do know that I had a department that needed a new compartment door for one of their Seagraves and called us for it. I wasn't sure I could help them but they insisted that Seagrave told them to contact the Pierce dealer. When I inspected the unit I found a Pierce ID plate on the body. Apparently Pierce had a contract with Snorkel that ensured that all of their devices would have a Pierce body or that Pierce would mount the device and supply the body around it. I have slept since then but that is how I remember the situation. Anyone who can enlighten me to other details would be greatly appreciated.

    At any rate, none of their mini-pumpers were ever built on a Pierce chassis. Almost all of their tankers back then were built on commercial chassis due to price. The Minuteman was based around commercial chassis. Just a guess but, I would be willing to bet that at least half of all the fire bodies they have built to date were installed on commercial chassis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Today I bought her a present. A brand new 6 foot FDNY roof hook. Every day is a step closer to getting her fully equipped again!
    Not a big Mack fan myself but I can remember a trade-in I got once. That thing had been neglected, rejected and left to rot. Driving it back I couldn't exceed 50 MPH because the Q2B would start howling. Needless to say it had been used hard and put away wet. What I remember most was I felt like I was driving a drag racer. It seemed like it only took a second in any gear before I had to shift. It was like riding an aging race horse, maybe ready for retirement but ready to prove it was up to the task.

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    Bye the way, FyredUp, thought I would mention why I came back to the forums.

    I am glad you and LA found common ground. We all need to learn to agree and disagree without vitriol. The mere fact that you and him sat down to meet impressed me. Snark has its place but in this forum everyone is involved in public safety and the need to address subjects in an objective manner is important. It might seem like this forum is our little corner of the world but the internet is forever and doesn't forget. All of these discussions are easy to find on a search engine and not only firefighters read the content. To the uninitiated, it would look more like a battle than a family squabble like it really is.

    I am going to try to improve my attitude when posting even though I just posted a snarky reply in another sub-forum. In defense, the snark was warranted, in my opinion, due to firefighter safety. But, I am trying and see that you are too. It ain't easy, is it? We all care deeply or we wouldn't be involved with public safety in one way or another.

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    So it's a retooled Enforcer..

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    All that build up and what do they deliver...??? YAWN.
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    but it comes with an all new embroidered prayer rug and drool bucket with the pierce logo on it.

    Innovative design :-}

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    The only good part of the big news is the larger cab for the Saber which was very small inside !

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    And the Enforcer has a big block motor option !
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    All this fanfare, hoopla and fireworks in every fire service periodical, magazine and newspaper from Maine to California in a typical Brand-P media blitz.

    Only one problem- it's still a Pierce!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpbravest29fd View Post
    So it's a retooled Enforcer..
    So instead of re-inventing other manufacturers innovations, they're now re-inventing their own?

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