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    Default Local union on the news complaining about storm preps...

    The local union (they are the only one around here) has been all over the news lately voicing their opinions about how the Augusta Fire Departments wasn't prepared for the ice storm last week. Major gripes? No provided food, water, transportation and generators running out of fuel.

    As most of you know the storm was a major event. Crippled the local infrastructure. Admin. news conference took full credit for the fuel issue. But when did it become the department's responsibility to provide food and water? We knew the storm was coming. Days ahead. Not to mention the community itself was in much worse shape than most of these guys were.

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    Original union rep interview: http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/S...247145891.html

    Admin response: http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/F...247151641.html
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    Sounds like they need some cheese to go with their whine.

    It's not like they didn't have warning that the storms were approaching for several days.

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    Was wondering if the FD is responsible for supplying diapers for it's members as well.
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    the 'entitlement" mentality is spreading
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    Both sides share culpability for this.
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    I guess im missing something -first , the propane, we always checked our tanks weekly and never let them below 75% - as far as getting iced in at home, I usually went in early if a bad ice storm was called for. And if your relief didn't show, you stayed until he did. And lack of water? were the pipes frozen in the station? We have a standpipe to fill the engine in the bay, plus a plug outside. Cant believe those were frozen. We beat the drum of emergency preparedness, shouldn't we set the example ?
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    Finding a way into work - Personal responsibility.

    Bringing in extra food because of the forecast severe weather - Personal responsibility.

    Having bottled water - Personal responsibility.

    And even checking on the propane levels for the generator when bad weather is forecast comes down the crews checking that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Finding a way into work - Personal responsibility.

    Bringing in extra food because of the forecast severe weather - Personal responsibility.

    Having bottled water - Personal responsibility.

    And even checking on the propane levels for the generator when bad weather is forecast comes down the crews checking that as well.
    Pretty much. Admin. took credit for what was their fault. The guys who are complaining pretty much take no responsibility what so ever.

    This "union" is never in the media for something positive. Only when they have something to complain about. They pride themselves in "running off" a previous chief and most aren't happy with the one they have now.

    I read a comment where someone actually referred to what happened during the storm as an injustice to the guys on the trucks. I laughed.

    What they can't grasp is the public sees firefighters on the news complaining about things that everyone went through at the time and relates that to ALL firefighters.
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    A question for GTRider245...

    Did the Department hold over extra personnel to deal with the storm?
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    It's funny to me. We have had more snow this year than in many years and stretches of sub-zero, with windchills hitting greater than 50 below zero. We call it winter.

    On the bright side we don't have hurricanes or volcanoes.
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    We've had more snow this year than in many many years. We've had hurricanes too.

    We've learned to be pretty self-reliant as far as food/water/gas needs.
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    While an ice storm may be rare for those folks down in grits & gravy land::

    It's just another day in the neighborhood for many of the rest of us.


    My thoughts go back 5 decades to the scout motto ::: BE PREPARED

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    While an ice storm may be rare for those folks down in grits & gravy land::

    It's just another day in the neighborhood for many of the rest of us.


    My thoughts go back 5 decades to the scout motto ::: BE PREPARED
    Our preps at my old career job included, topping off the fuel in the rigs, and eating early if we expected a rush hour time storm.

    As for the generators for the stations they are all diesel and they are checked for operation, fluid levels and fuel every Saturday. So if we ran out of fuel it would be OUR fault no one elses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Our preps at my old career job included, topping off the fuel in the rigs, and eating early if we expected a rush hour time storm.

    As for the generators for the stations they are all diesel and they are checked for operation, fluid levels and fuel every Saturday. So if we ran out of fuel it would be OUR fault no one elses.
    And we drug out/inspected the tire chains, made sure we had plenty of ice melt, extra scoop shovel on the engine , on and on. Also many times we double staffed the "house on the hill". When I reported for duty , I always brought plenty of snacks and canned soup. You generally have plenty of advance warning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    And we drug out/inspected the tire chains, made sure we had plenty of ice melt, extra scoop shovel on the engine , on and on. Also many times we double staffed the "house on the hill". When I reported for duty , I always brought plenty of snacks and canned soup. You generally have plenty of advance warning.
    Never used tire chains, all winter we carried slat on the rigs, and we always had shovels on board for digging out hydrants. Never double staffed. I always had a couple days worth of canned food in my locker, as well as extra uniforms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    the propane, we always checked our tanks weekly and never let them below 75%
    Not to get too far off the topic at hand, but I'm guessing (hoping) that your generators were something other than propane powered? Otherwise I get the feeling that the propane company hated it when you called since "full" on a propane tank is 80%...

    We don't do anything special here for storms, but then again, storms aren't all that special. Yeah, we'll get the chainsaws out and make sure they work properly if we are expecting a hurricane to push over this far or an ice storm to come through, but otherwise, meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfelix22000us View Post
    Not to get too far off the topic at hand, but I'm guessing (hoping) that your generators were something other than propane powered? Otherwise I get the feeling that the propane company hated it when you called since "full" on a propane tank is 80%...

    We don't do anything special here for storms, but then again, storms aren't all that special. Yeah, we'll get the chainsaws out and make sure they work properly if we are expecting a hurricane to push over this far or an ice storm to come through, but otherwise, meh.
    Actually, having once sold propane and propane accessories, a tank is full in the winter at 85% and 80% in warmer weather. They still do that because I just had my 500 gallon tank filled today and they went to 85%.
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    FyredUp are you Hank Hill?

    The firefighters, the administration and the local government were all just not ready for this. If it were a hurricane they more than likely have a plan. For the 100-year cold weather I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfelix22000us View Post
    Not to get too far off the topic at hand, but I'm guessing (hoping) that your generators were something other than propane powered? Otherwise I get the feeling that the propane company hated it when you called since "full" on a propane tank is 80%...

    We don't do anything special here for storms, but then again, storms aren't all that special. Yeah, we'll get the chainsaws out and make sure they work properly if we are expecting a hurricane to push over this far or an ice storm to come through, but otherwise, meh.
    we never requested a "special trip" but to my knowledge they never complained about SELLING us something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexfd5 View Post
    FyredUp are you Hank Hill?

    The firefighters, the administration and the local government were all just not ready for this. If it were a hurricane they more than likely have a plan. For the 100-year cold weather I doubt it.
    And yet we (the emergency services) preach preparedness. Far to much "do as I say, not as I do"
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