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    Does it really matter if there is Labor Union representation on the Committee for NFPA 1901 (The Standard for Automotive Fire Apparatus.) Do you think that having union representation will weed out any potential stupidity, muckracking, lobbying or other tomfoolery among the membership of the committee? I suppose so......After all, the labor union movement invented all of the above and would easily be able to spot it occurring and would immediately put an end to it.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by HBofCJ View Post
    Thank you for your lengthy and thoughtful reply. It took you some time and effort to do so and it is appreciated. This could be a subject close to your heart or one you have distinction with .....or have a vested interest towards?
    While I think that serving on the 1901 committee would be one of the highest compliments that I could ever receive, I don't know that I ever will, nor do I currently.

    Respectfully, no Labour Representation? Are you OK with your answer? Are your sure? I will let that go for the time being.... however ..... it might be enlightening for us to understand just who the NPFA may be and what MAY be their intent.....and agenda?
    I stand by my answer: there is no direct labor management representation on the 1901 committee. Some of the individuals may work for agencies who have strong union presense, but there isn't a IAFF or other union representative on the committee.

    Again, my point of view here is one who was on the inside over 40 years ago, did my time and now am looking back through that door long vacated with the eyes of a very old school individual. The NFPA is made up of certain selected fire officials, many fire apparatus manufactures and perhaps Union Representation. Kinda like the Fox guarding the hen house? Or the lunatics running Bedlam? Perhaps my comparisons are overly harsh and if so, my apologies. HB of CJ (old coot)
    I'm not sure if you understand this, and if you do, my apologies. The NPFA has many, many technical committees that handle everything from safety to rehab to fire extinguishers to building codes to fire apparatus design to technical rescue standards (and hundreds of other items as well). The goal of these committees is to provide a recognized industry standard for items that have a direct impact on the public for fire-safety related matters, as well as to firefighters providing life safety standards, and also the manufacturers that are building the equipment that we use to provide our services.

    Question at large because I do not know. Are there any other organisations who do what the NFPA does? Besides the August benevolent ISO that is. We do not want to open that Insurance Industry Fire Service can of worms. Different aspect for sure. Are there any other better or newer ways of "Doing Business"? Thank you for your time.
    Are you talking about the NFPA in general or just on fire apparatus? On fire apparatus, FAMA and FDSOA come to mind. In other standards (NFPA 1, NFPA 70, NFPA 101), BOCA and the NEC come to mind. I'm sure others can provide their thoughts as well on that.

    I think we can all infer that you feel that the NPFA 1901 technical committee has either outlived it effectiveness or has ulterior motives. What would you change/fix about the committee?
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    "I stand by my answer: there is no direct labor management representation on the 1901 committee. Some of the individuals may work for agencies who have strong union presense, but there isn't a IAFF or other union representative on the committee."

    Look...some guys are just haters or ideologues who are gonna believe what they want to believe no matter the facts may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Does it really matter if there is Labor Union representation on the Committee for NFPA 1901 (The Standard for Automotive Fire Apparatus.) Do you think that having union representation will weed out any potential stupidity, muckracking, lobbying or other tomfoolery among the membership of the committee? I suppose so......After all, the labor union movement invented all of the above and would easily be able to spot it occurring and would immediately put an end to it.......
    They also invented worker safety, decent wages, and the 40 hr. week, among many other things you enjoy in your occupation, no matter what it is. Do you have any valid point other than just hating??

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Does it really matter if there is Labor Union representation on the Committee for NFPA 1901 (The Standard for Automotive Fire Apparatus.) Do you think that having union representation will weed out any potential stupidity, muckracking, lobbying or other tomfoolery among the membership of the committee? I suppose so......After all, the labor union movement invented all of the above and would easily be able to spot it occurring and would immediately put an end to it.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    They also invented worker safety, decent wages, and the 40 hr. week, among many other things you enjoy in your occupation, no matter what it is. Do you have any valid point other than just hating??
    Who said anything about hating? I'm telling the God's honest truth, and you damn well KNOW that I am!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Careful!!! You might get labeled a hater by johnsb for posting something like this!!!!
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