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    For future purchases I was exploring Immi's Smart Dock and Zico Ez-Loc SCBA Brackets. For those that have experience with either or both what are the some of the pro's and con's to them. My department hasn't used either one yet, so any information would be appreciated.

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    Check to see who is a dealer in your area and see if they will let you demo a bracket in your truck.

    We have had our new engine for about 8-9 months with Smart Dock's. Nobody is complaining but they are pricey compared to the old style 100.00 brackets of years ago.

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    I'm pretty sure we're using the Zico mounts in our newest engine.

    Overall, it's far superior to the old strap around the SCBA versions I've encountered in the past. There's no reaching behind to hunt for the strap ends. There's no need to frequently adjust the strap because somehow it just doesn't reach all the way into the latch even though your putting the exact same SCBA back into the seat. There's no forgetting to undo the strap before you put the pack on while sitting in the seat. If you change SCBA, whether going to a different brand or just changing cylinder sizes, it's a simple adjustment rather than having to replace a bunch of brackets.

    We've had the new engine a little over 4 years now and been through a change in SCBA brand. The only real problems we've had is sometimes it takes several tries to get the bracket to lock down when putting SCBA back in the seats. Sometimes it's a matter of not having the SCBA properly positioned, sometimes it's probably a matter of not having the mount properly adjusted.

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    We put the Zico EZ-Loc brackets on an engine we put in service in 2011. They work fine but the problem we have is that we have two different lengths of bottles. Both the same capacity but one has a slightly longer neck, maybe 1/2" variance. Difference in lengths isn't readily noticeable until you really start to compare the two and is probably a result of ordering replacement bottles somewhere down the line. As a result, if we set the brackets for shorter bottle the taller bottles wouldn't fit. When set for the taller bottles the short bottles would fall out of the bracket when driving down the road or tilting the cab. It was a real PITA putting the truck back into service after a call. If we didn't have two different lengths of bottles I think everything would have been fine.
    To solve our problem and to make the troops happy the Zico brackets were replaced with Bostrom SecureAll. You may want to check them out as well.

    On a side note, we do have (4) Zico EZ Loc SCBA brackets for sale. Asking $400 each and the Assistant Chief said get ready to negotiate so if you are interested send me an IM.

    Regardless the brand you chose, they are all an improvement over dealing with the strap style to hold the pack in the seat.

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    If it were up to me, I would go back to mounting them in a compartment.
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    We have the Zico Quik Hold MWAB brackets on our rescue/pumper. They are terrible. You have to reach into the bracket to reseat the pak. The straps are always behind the seat where you can't reach them once you are belted in. Sometimes you pull the release strap and it doesn't let the pak go. Various Scott cylinder diameters are also an issue. We are looking the the Smart Dock brackets on our new engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    If it were up to me, I would go back to mounting them in a compartment.
    Why?? If it weren't expediant, 95% of fire depts. wouldn't be doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    If it were up to me, I would go back to mounting them in a compartment.
    I dread the day this happens, even though I see the safety crowd pushing for it. I can remember the days we had to get the cases out of the compartment and donn the SCBA upon arrival at the scene. I like the convenience of having the SCBA mounted in the seat and able to be quickly donned while en route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Why?? If it weren't expediant, 95% of fire depts. wouldn't be doing it.
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I dread the day this happens, even though I see the safety crowd pushing for it. I can remember the days we had to get the cases out of the compartment and donn the SCBA upon arrival at the scene. I like the convenience of having the SCBA mounted in the seat and able to be quickly donned while en route.
    It must take you two longer to put an airpack on than it does me.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    It must take you two longer to put an airpack on than it does me.....
    Do you really want to go down this path?

    Frankly, I prefer not having to take any time at all to put my SCBA on once I have arrived on scene. I would rather take that time doing my own size-up, pulling a pre-connect, getting a ladder, tools or whatever and ging to work. I don't doubt that you can donn an air pack very quickly, as can I, but neither of us can do that as quickly as the guy donning it en route and already going to work while you are at the compartment donning yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Do you really want to go down this path?

    Frankly, I prefer not having to take any time at all to put my SCBA on once I have arrived on scene. I would rather take that time doing my own size-up, pulling a pre-connect, getting a ladder, tools or whatever and ging to work. I don't doubt that you can donn an air pack very quickly, as can I, but neither of us can do that as quickly as the guy donning it en route and already going to work while you are at the compartment donning yours.
    I don't know. How long does it really take to pull something out of a compartment and adjust 3 straps?

    I'm not talking about getting full fledge on air - I don't do that even with SCBA seat brackets. I can be putting on an air pack and doing a size up at the same time.

    I respect your opinion. Mine is that moving them into a compartment wouldn't be that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    I don't know. How long does it really take to pull something out of a compartment and adjust 3 straps?

    I'm not talking about getting full fledge on air - I don't do that even with SCBA seat brackets. I can be putting on an air pack and doing a size up at the same time.

    I respect your opinion. Mine is that moving them into a compartment wouldn't be that bad.
    I respect your opinion. Mine is leave them in the jump seats so there is one less thing to do upon arrival.

    By the way, I am in no way suggesting masking up and going on air before you get off the rig. In fact I try to stay off from air as long as I remain in a safe environment so as to not waste the precious few minutes of air we have.
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    My biggest issue with moving the ones on the engine back to the compartments would be that I would have to give up the space. We actually have 2 in a compartment and the other 4 in the seats, but for the life of me, I can't think of what I would take off the engine to fit the packs into compartments.

    For the number of calls that we run that require air (and immediately need it), I think that it could be argued to put them in compartments. The issue with storage space, though is what will keep them in the seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuntPA View Post
    For the number of calls that we run that require air (and immediately need it), I think that it could be argued to put them in compartments. The issue with storage space, though is what will keep them in the seats.
    That's exactly our issue. Most of the time the guys at the outboard positions exit the cab and turn around and pull the pack, as there's no doubt stepping out with the pack on is less than optimal.
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    Having them in cases reminds me of the 70's......with todays technology brackets make it faster and safer. Why go back to the 70's and stow them...when all you need is a bracket molded in your seat. Zico makes all sorts of brackets and just pick the one that suits you....I know we did.
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    This is pretty recent. Funny how their surveys indicated guys wanted the pak seats to recline. I would suspect that was from paid staff that are used to reclining in the tv room and want their pak seats match

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    My engine seats 5 in the rear cab. Having 5 guys get out, open a compartment or 2, pull out 5 SCBA boxes and then don them will in no way ever be more efficient than those 5 guys strapping them on during the ride. Officer straps his on as well during the ride.

    The driver of the vehicle has one in a compartment.

    With a smaller number of guys getting off, I could see it as workable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captain7 View Post
    This is pretty recent. Funny how their surveys indicated guys wanted the pak seats to recline. I would suspect that was from paid staff that are used to reclining in the tv room and want their pak seats match

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    I think just because we are considering moving air paks to a compartment, does not necessitate placing them in the 1970's storage cases. As mentioned earlier, a nice vertical board or a walk-up drop bracket is a good option. The slow-down and evaluate the scene before going to work tactics also work well with this option.
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    If the scene is on the officer side of truck, but your packs are stored on the driver side....what are you evaluating?

    and if you can't manage to slow down and evaluate with a pak on your back...you aren't going to slow down getting one on from a compartment either.
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    Odds are there wouldn't be any slowing down at all. People will be rushing to the compartment to get their pack on.

    There is no logical reason to take the SCBA out of the seat brackets. This is nothing more than safety sally bull schitt.
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    Back to the original question .....

    We have had the Smart-Dock on our newest engine for about 8 months, and we like them. The only issue is they require a little technique to pull out of the seat as some of our volunteers arriving POV will do when they doff them on-scene as compared to doffing them enroute, but overall, it's a minor issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Back to the original question .....

    We have had the Smart-Dock on our newest engine for about 8 months, and we like them. The only issue is they require a little technique to pull out of the seat as some of our volunteers arriving POV will do when they doff them on-scene as compared to doffing them enroute, but overall, it's a minor issue.
    They "doff" them when enroute? Is that due to a no interior rule?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    They "doff" them when enroute? Is that due to a no interior rule?
    Sorry, but that one is a pretty funny spelling error.

    More to the point, do those arriving have jump seats in their POV so they can already have donned them before they get on scene and have to doff them? If so, what type are they using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Odds are there wouldn't be any slowing down at all. People will be rushing to the compartment to get their pack on.

    There is no logical reason to take the SCBA out of the seat brackets. This is nothing more than safety sally bull schitt.
    There are other reasons - two I can think of immediately are comfort and cleanliness. It gets old having to ride against wet airpack straps or smelling like smoke.
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