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    Here's the latest update.
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    Got a 2000 gallon/ 1000 gpm tanker awarded Friday $260,000

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    Compress/Fill/Cascade awarded $50,000 asked for $56,000

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    Exact reduction we got. Requested ~$79K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GratefulEd View Post
    Exact reduction we got. Requested ~$79K.
    Gotta ask: What on earth compressor/fill/cascade system would you need for that price? I believe alot of sales pockets are being lined even for $50,000!

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    as with anything Sly, the sales folks are padding as much as they can. want to send their kids to college.

    We bought a 6000 osi 30 hp 3 phase compressor with a 100 ft hp hose reel ,8 bottle DOT cyl cascade bank & 3 bottle fill / frag chamber for $32k back in 2004. That included about $4k for electrical upgrade for the compressor install.
    Have done several 6 bottle systems since then and gotten them funded at <$35k with a little leftover change to spare.
    Seems that some parts of the country have higher pricing because they can get away with it.

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    Accepted a few minutes ago.

    2.5" Nozzle - $1,035
    1.5" Nozzle - $950
    3" Hose - $265
    2" Hose - $235
    1.75" Hose - $235
    2.5" Hydrant Gate Valve - $275
    Hydrassist - $1,300
    Hose Clamp - $400

    Hope this helps!

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    Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this, but we were awarded $2,500/set of turnout gear. When completing the application, I thought I remembered FEMA listing out everything you could include in a set of turnout gear, including coat, pants, boots, helmet, hood. I can't remember what other items were included in a set, though. Does anyone remember that list? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pl76 View Post
    Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this, but we were awarded $2,500/set of turnout gear. When completing the application, I thought I remembered FEMA listing out everything you could include in a set of turnout gear, including coat, pants, boots, helmet, hood. I can't remember what other items were included in a set, though. Does anyone remember that list? Thanks.
    What's included is how you defined it within the application.

    From the PG:

    AFG considers a “set” of PPE Turnout gear to be comprised of these NFPA
    compliant components, one pair (1) pants, one (1) coat and one (1) pair
    suspenders

    AFG considers a “complete” set of PPE Turnout gear to be comprised of these NFPA compliant components to include one pair (1) pants, one (1) coat, one (1) helmet, one (1) hood, one (1) pair boots, one (1) pair gloves and one pair (1) suspenders.

    In those AHJ’s where additional PPE, like Personal Safety/Rescue
    Bailout Systems are statutorily required, AFG will consider all statutorily required items to be part of a “complete” PPE set.

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    Thanks for the info!

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    5" LDH (100 feet) = $775

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    • 6000 psi compressor, 4 bottle cascade, and 2 bottle fill for $ 42,000.
    • Portable Radios $ 2,050
    • Mobile Radios $ 2,200
    • Mobile Radios $ 2,950
    • Type I or III Ambulance $ 122,500

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    In less than a month the next round of AFG grant applications will open up. If you have any info to supply to update the cost allowances send it along. Thanks.
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    Here's the correct list.
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    Question, in 2009 I wrote a winning grant for turnout gear. I'm in a different department now but they are in the same boat that I bailed my previous department out of. Being a small rural department I feel like I was better able to justify the award by only purchasing the needed items for each member to meet 100% compliance, not head to toe gear because they needed a helmet or boots. That being said does anyone have any input on limits for head to toe gear including flashlights with items listed separately instead of the generic $2500 per set?

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    We are applying for SCBA's w/ 45 min cylinders. I see that the cost allowance last year was in the $5,500 range. Has this changed in 2014 and if so what is the new cost allowance?

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    Why are you worried about that "cost allowance" is? You need to get suggestive pricing from local vendors and apply accordingly. I can tell you that I successfully purchased 2013 Edition SCBA this year anywhere from $4,800-$5,400 per SCBA, with almost every option imaginable.

    Procurement will be a big issue going forward with the new CFR regulations, so be sure that you are bidding accordingly.

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    if you get awarded you would be amazed how low vendors will be willing to go in order to get your business.
    In some cases they went over a thousand dollars less than they had quoted in order to get the order over another manufacturer.

    All SCBA vendors know what AFG financing levels are and will be willing to meet that price point if not doing so means a dept will go to the competitor who will meet the price.

    I saw quotes of over $6500.00 last year that ended up accepting less than $5500 per pack when it came down to purchasing time.

    Remember: the lower $$$ you ask for ,the better chance of getting funded.
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    More importantly, the lower you ask for, the more can share in the funding.
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    I have no doubt that the price will come down when the real bidding starts. The vendors know the typical funding levels. I have received a few informal quotes and was basically told they have serious room for movement. Most to the quotes I received were in the $6500-7500 range for the pack, bottle, and mask. This also included a few options that could be cut. I know the typical funding range in years past was around $5500. One of the government contract rates is 32% off of the list price. Just goes to show how inflated the pricing is. Anyway, I wasn't trying to squeeze unnecessary funding, I was just curious where the typical funding level stood.

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    I try to get our prices for SCBA down too, but when you call a dealer around here, they just refer to state contract prices.

    As listed on the Mississippi State Contract

    Scott Air-Pak® 75™ NFPA 2013ed. 4500psi with Pak-Alert®, less Cylinder, less Facepiece, less Case, Made in the USA $4,804.00
    4500 PSI 45 Min Carbon Fiber Cylinder w/ Valve for CGA $!,096
    Facepiece $302.00

    So for a complete SCBA with an extra cylinder thats $7,298.00

    I know that's too high, but where do I get better prices? If awarded, these are the people I would have to deal with.

    The contract shows that these prices are 20% off list price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADC120 View Post
    I try to get our prices for SCBA down too, but when you call a dealer around here, they just refer to state contract prices.

    As listed on the Mississippi State Contract

    Scott Air-Pak® 75™ NFPA 2013ed. 4500psi with Pak-Alert®, less Cylinder, less Facepiece, less Case, Made in the USA $4,804.00
    4500 PSI 45 Min Carbon Fiber Cylinder w/ Valve for CGA $!,096
    Facepiece $302.00

    So for a complete SCBA with an extra cylinder thats $7,298.00

    I know that's too high, but where do I get better prices? If awarded, these are the people I would have to deal with.

    The contract shows that these prices are 20% off list price.
    You become a savvy consumer and tell your vendors to sharpen their pencils if they want you business. Don't get caught up in all that sales talk about I have the sole contract for this area either; that violates AFG procurement policies. The list of award winners will tip a smart vendor into already knowing how much you were awarded so just tell them right up front that their bid, and that you are seeking bids from all manufacturers (and don't be afraid to shop out of state) , has to be within that range or your not buying from them, plain and simple.

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    state contract pricing is not a deal: EVER!
    It is more of a Price fixing scheme .

    doesn't matter whether you are buying fire trucks or toilet paper from the list.

    It just allows vendors to submit a price that they refer everyone to and know that they will make their profit on without having to prepare bid documents for every entity that is looking to purchase their product. Saves them a lot of work.

    Very simple: you tell them you have this much to spend and thats what they will sell them to you for.
    They know how much AFG is allowing for airpacks and don't want to lose a sale to a competitors brand.

    several years ago the big "S" boys were quoting over $6250 per pack, but when push came to shove , they were more than willing to sell them for the $5250 that AFG was allowing.

    The 20% off list is BS. Thats like the MSRP for a handgun is set at $675.00. Can usually be found at a street price in the $500-$550 range for sale at numerous dealers. Some will even offer it for $475 on sale.

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    $7,000 for SCBA is laughable.

    Bought 2013 compliant packs from two prominent manufacturers for < $5,500.

    Remember, the more these vendors try to get out of a grant award means less grant awards overall. Not a real savvy business practice.
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