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    Officer Shot Serving No Knock Warrant

    Someone is breaking into your home by climbing through the window at 5:30am. You shoot the intruder with a realistic belief that someone is invading your home. Turns out the intruder is a police officer serving a "no knock warrant" looking for drugs that were never found. Despite spending 12 hrs. looking for them.

    The homeowner's response seems perfectly reasonable given the circumstances.

    Where's the NRA defending this man's right to protect his castle?
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    Lotsa looks no comments.

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    I'm pro-law enforcement, and very much a gun rights advocate. I didn't reply to this sooner simply because I didn't see the original post.

    My opinion? This is a complicated case, where it appears that the CI probably set up the LEO's by letting the bag guy know when they were coming, and the bad guy waited for them to enter the house and them ambushed the LEO's.

    This isn't clearly isn't a simply "protecting your castle" case as it appears on the surface, nor something that the NRA would get involved in for obvious political reasons.

    SCFire, I was just thinking about you today when I read that the same amount of the people who voted for Obama is equal to the same amount of democrats that believe that the Lerner e-mail loss is a complete lie. But, that's for another thread...
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    Not complicated to me at all. Someone's crawling through my window at 5:30a can expect the same reaction.

    The IRS is indeed another issue. Especially given the fact that groups of both political stripes were being audited for the same reason.

    Another faux scandal that will do nothing but waste time and taxpayer dollars.

    Conservatives only care about things like this when a Dem is in the White House. The Bush Administration lost 20M emails. Conservatives didn't care.
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    Do you know what today is scfire86? Today is the 10th anniversary of you continually being angry, offensive, rude and insensitive. That quite an accomplishment. I read through hundreds of your old posts last night, you have never said anything kind in any of them and you have been able to do it for 10 years today, incredible very incredible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller337 View Post
    Do you know what today is scfire86? Today is the 10th anniversary of you being continually being angry, offensive, rude and insensitive. That quite an accomplishment. I read through hundreds of your old posts last night, you have never said anything kind in any of them and you have been able to do it for 10 years today, incredible very incredible.
    I'm not the topic. I'm surprised there aren't more folks commenting about how maybe this shooting is justifiable given the circumstances. Being awakened in the early hours by someone coming through the window without any announcement of them being a LEO. What else should a homeowner believe?

    How would one know whether it was a cop serving a warrant?
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    Guess I'm a little more surprised that police making entry, in this case, didn't appear prepared for such an event to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Guess I'm a little more surprised that police making entry, in this case, didn't appear prepared for such an event to happen.
    How about just coming through the front door and announcing that it's a police operation?
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    I don't know much about "no knock warrants". I'll have to assume the name is self-explanatory. Therefore I'll also assume they are a really bad idea. How can you blame a homeowner for this type of action? We know that LEO sometimes gets it wrong. We know that the subject of the police action may not live there alone, or live there only with other criminals. A relative in the home could be entirely in the dark concerning the subject's criminal (alleged) actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjak View Post
    I don't know much about "no knock warrants". I'll have to assume the name is self-explanatory. Therefore I'll also assume they are a really bad idea. How can you blame a homeowner for this type of action? We know that LEO sometimes gets it wrong. We know that the subject of the police action may not live there alone, or live there only with other criminals. A relative in the home could be entirely in the dark concerning the subject's criminal (alleged) actions.
    I agree. Believing the homeowner set up the police to ambush them is giving this guy WAY too much credit in the gray matter department.

    Texas has a "stand your ground" law. This alone should be why this type of law is a disaster waiting to happen.

    I'm going to throw down the race card on this one. The homeowner it black, the cop is white. Anyone who believes this isn't part of the issue in a state like Texas is living in a dream world.
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    The main reason I didn't respond is because there is no need for the NRA to become involved. Has he been charged with homicide or murder of a certain degree? If not, there is no need for them to be involved. Even if he is charged, we do not know if he had the legal right to firearms (has he been previously convicted of a felony or otherwise been determined ineligible to own firearms?) Until more details are released and he is charged, there is no reason for anyone to be involved.

    If it turns out that he legally owned the weapon and indeed live at the residence, I do not see how they could charge him, but like I said, until more details are known we are jumping the gun



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    I would agree with you except for the fact that many on here have made claims of guilt or innocence in previous cases before all the facts were known.

    The article does state the other suspect had no jail record but nothing was stated about the previous status of the individual suspected of killing the police officer.
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    NRA doesn't support the criminal use of firearms. Same reason the ACLU doesn't defend criminal forms of speech like slander or libel.

    You get an "F" for your shallow adolescent smear campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    NRA doesn't support the criminal use of firearms. Same reason the ACLU doesn't defend criminal forms of speech like slander or libel.

    You get an "F" for your shallow adolescent smear campaign.
    Great. Where's the NRA defending this group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Great. Where's the NRA defending this group?
    To you, the NRA represents every pro-gun individual in the US, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    To you, the NRA represents every pro-gun individual in the US, correct?
    Apparently not. They are nowhere to be found supporting the right to bear arms for the group in the article I linked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Great. Where's the NRA defending this group?
    What's to defend? I didn't read where anyone was charged with a crime. You're not very good at this. Desperately trying to paint the NRA as some veiled modern KKK.
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    Where you been moonbat? I miss you.
    It's still unclear why you keep using a left-wing euphemism to describe me. Liberalism and Reality never do intersect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    What's to defend? I didn't read where anyone was charged with a crime. You're not very good at this. Desperately trying to paint the NRA as some veiled modern KKK.
    Said no such thing about them being a veiled KKK. All you have left is your imagination.

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    It's still unclear why you keep using a left-wing euphemism to describe me. Liberalism and Reality never do intersect.
    Because the definition applies to you as well. Embrace it. It's you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Said no such thing about them being a veiled KKK.
    Not being said is the essence of being veiled. Synonyms for veiled include: disguised, camouflaged, masked, covert, hidden, concealed, suppressed, underlying, implicit, implied, indirect.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    All you have left is your imagination.
    Ray Charles can see what you're trying to do here. Case #1 you ask why isn't the NRA defending this drug dealing cop killer?


    Case #2 you ask why isn't the NRA defending these Black Panthers? Black Panthers who have not been charged with a crime or prevented from bearing arms.
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    Because the definition applies to you as well. Embrace it. It's you.
    The rest of the internet disagrees with you. Google image search "moonbat." You'll get a Who's Who of the left wingers in America. No Ted Cruz pics, no Rand Paul, no Romney, no Rick Perry.

    Typical of liberalism. Deny reality, and profess that fairy tails are true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Not being said is the essence of being veiled. Synonyms for veiled include: disguised, camouflaged, masked, covert, hidden, concealed, suppressed, underlying, implicit, implied, indirect. Ray Charles can see what you're trying to do here.
    Still said no such thing about comparing the NRA to the KKK. I'm impressed that you know how to read a thesaurus.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Case #1 you ask why isn't the NRA defending this drug dealing cop killer?
    Innocent till proven guilty. Given how the person he shot was coming though his bedroom window unannounced, how would he know that person was a cop? You only know that after the fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Case #2 you ask why isn't the NRA defending these Black Panthers? Black Panthers who have not been charged with a crime or prevented from bearing arms.
    The person in the mug shot hasn't been convicted of a crime either. Ergo, he is innocent.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    The rest of the internet disagrees with you. Google image search "moonbat." You'll get a Who's Who of the left wingers in America. No Ted Cruz pics, no Rand Paul, no Romney, no Rick Perry.

    Typical of liberalism. Deny reality, and profess that fairy tails are true.
    It obviously bothers you moonbat. Otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time trying to deny it.
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